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Sorry scrouge i swapped midway through my sentence i'm sorry....

I agreed with you.

I just added the last part because i was being told that calling against decent players would just be burning money. Could be an area to save money for better spots.
 
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I don't play in these games, so I must have missed the part where we're playing against a decent player?? :confused: Idk if continuing is correct or not in these games, but I really doubt it's a snap fold or anything.
 
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Aces2w1n said:
We just want to end the hand? And assume any callers on the turn we giveup?

No we want to charge him to play. We have the nuts.
 
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Guy is a mass multitabler

PokerStars - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: €3.81 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 3)
Hero (CO): €5.12
BTN: €5.77 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: €5.71 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: €5.11 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.07) Hero has 8:spade: K:spade:

UTG calls €0.05, Hero raises to €0.20, BTN calls €0.20, fold, fold, UTG calls €0.15

Flop: (€0.67, 3 players) 4:spade: T:heart: 3:heart:
UTG checks, Hero bets €0.40, BTN calls €0.40, fold

Turn: (€1.47, 2 players) 2:spade:
Hero bets €1.00, BTN calls €1.00

River: (€3.47, 2 players) A:club:
Hero bets €2.00

OK to triple here?
 
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Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $8.50 (85 bb)
BB: $11.23 (112.3 bb)
UTG+1: $10.20 (102 bb)
UTG+2: $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $18.60 (186 bb)
MP2: $4.15 (41.5 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)

BTN: $15.78 (157.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ac Qc
UTG+1 raises to $0.25, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 3 folds

(should I have 3bet here? does AQs perform well in 3way pot?)

Flop: ($0.90) 6s 2s Ah (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.56, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls $0.56

Turn: ($2.02) Qs (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $1, MP3 raises to $2, Hero calls $1

River: ($6.02) 9c (2 players)
MP3 bets $4.02, Hero folds

Should I have just folded the turn to the x2 since most of the time really strong? Vill was fairly unknown 27/19 and 3Bet 15.4% over 26 hands
 
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This is a clear 3 bet for value against villain's loose opening range. As played, bet a little more OTF. OTT you should bet at least 1.30 your bet is less than half pot, this misses value and screams of "I'm afraid of the flush". If villain's a good reg he may have picked up on this and x/r bluffed. But honestly I think that's unlikely in this situation. I can't think of any hand that villain would x/c flop OOP and then x/r turn that doesn't have you beat, reckon he hit his flush most of the time here. Fold turn, you're not really getting implied odds (to hit A or Q) even for a 2x raise.
 
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3betting the AQ here doesn't make any sense imo unless the opener will fold a ton and the cold-caller will flat a ton. UTG+1's range isn't going to be that loose in a FR game. We certainly aren't 3betting AQs for value. It could be a semi-value/semi-bluff since there is another player in the pot.

Bigger OTF, 65-75c imo. As played, $1.35ish OTT. He's still going to continue with far worse, and it's still a super straightforward bet/fold. As played, good fold OTR.
 
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Scourrge said:
3betting the AQ here doesn't make any sense imo unless the opener will fold a ton and the cold-caller will flat a ton. UTG+1's range isn't going to be that loose in a FR game. We certainly aren't 3betting AQs for value. It could be a semi-value/semi-bluff since there is another player in the pot.

Bigger OTF, 65-75c imo. As played, $1.35ish OTT. He's still going to continue with far worse, and it's still a super straightforward bet/fold. As played, good fold OTR.

If opener was a nit in UTG+1 then definitely 3 betting is foolish but the opener was pretty loose for FR (27/19) so will be opening with a much wider range of hands from EP. Hence 3 betting for value here is perfectly fine to narrow down the field. I don't think flatting's too bad either tho, but I'd normally 3 bet here because ideally we'd like to be heads up when we have a strong hand.
 
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mottotom27 said:
If opener was a nit in UTG+1 then definitely 3 betting is foolish but the opener was pretty loose for FR (27/19) so will be opening with a much wider range of hands from EP. Hence 3 betting for value here is perfectly fine to narrow down the field. I don't think flatting's too bad either tho, but I'd normally 3 bet here because ideally we'd like to be heads up when we have a strong hand.

w/o positional stats, 19 pfr most likely won't be wide enough for us to 3b AQo for value vs his UTG range
 
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mottotom27 said:
If opener was a nit in UTG+1 then definitely 3 betting is foolish but the opener was pretty loose for FR (27/19) so will be opening with a much wider range of hands from EP. Hence 3 betting for value here is perfectly fine to narrow down the field. I don't think flatting's too bad either tho, but I'd normally 3 bet here because ideally we'd like to be heads up when we have a strong hand.

You can't assume that because his VPIP is wide (27%) that he's opening super wide from UTG+1. He's still only got a 19 PFR, which yes, is a LITTLE loose for FR, but it's not exactly super wide, and shouldn't make us think "ah yissssss mutha****in AQ betch."

Also I think you're vastly under-estimating how well our hand will play 3 or 4 way in position. We won't win the pot as often obviously, but we're still going to do just fine, and it's doubtful that 3betting improves on that, again unless UTG+1 folds a LOT to 3bets and we can isolate the cold-caller.
 
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Actually you do have a point there, I often find myself in tricky spots with AQ (and JJ and AK too) in bloated pots, especially multiway. And you're right he's not particularly loose with fairly reggish stats so may not be opening too wide UTG. I think after reconsidering the situation, I'd be inclined to agree with you that calling is the best option. I still hold my opinion that the postflop betting is too weak though, should be betting 2/3-3/4 pot imo.
 
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We were in agreement there :)
 
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Well that's good then :)
 
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Hey guys, what do you think about this K high hero call? Is calling here standard?

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($1.89)
MP - Hero ($2.00)
CO - CO ($0.87)
BTN - BTN ($1.92)
SB - SB ($2.18)
BB - BB ($4.21)

Preflop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is MP with Kd Jd
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: 9h 9c Th ($0.15, 2 players - Hero: $1.94, CO: $0.81)
Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Turn: 2s ($0.31, 2 players - Hero: $1.86, CO: $0.73)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: 2c ($0.31, 2 players - Hero: $1.86, CO: $0.73)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Total Pot: $0.91
CO shows Qs 3h (two pair, Nines and Deuces)
Hero shows Kd Jd (two pair, Nines and Deuces - King kicker)

Hero wins $0.88

I thought there were way more combos of missed draws in his range than pairs and when he suddenly bet pot on river it kinda looked like he was trying to buy the pot, so easy call? But when I saw the complete trash he showed up with tho I was like LOL!
 
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Pretty bad, since tons of his air beats us. Axhh is probably his most likely holding here.

Also, screw "standard." Worry about making the most +EV play imo.
 
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Scourrge said:
Pretty bad, since tons of his air beats us. Axhh is probably his most likely holding here.

Also, screw "standard." Worry about making the most +EV play imo.

Most Ax hands will check back there so we do beat a lot of air.

Saying that I don't like the call. I bet the turn as well.
 
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Yea i agree it was a pretty ambitious call, but I went with my gut, my gut said he was bluffing. But lol Q3!
 
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Does anyone know about a free/cheap tracker for PLO?, it not matter if don't have a hud.
 
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Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

Hero (BTN): $7.00
SB: $7.48 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 6, 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 145
BB: $23.73 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 2, AF: 2.8, Hands: 110
UTG: $11.72 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 41
CO: $15.02 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 22, 3B: 9, AF: 2.4, Hands: 73

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with J
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J
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UTG calls $0.05, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.44, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.39, CO calls $0.29

Flop: ($1.39) 9
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5
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(3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.90, UTG calls $0.90, CO raises to $14.57, Hero ?
 
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^^ I would fold to CO raise

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $13.11 (131.1 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $13.74 (137.4 bb)
MP1: $11.62 (116.2 bb)
MP2: $8.33 (83.3 bb)
MP3: $13.05 (130.5 bb)
CO: $10.36 (103.6 bb)
BTN: $0.95 (9.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Ad Kh
Hero raises to $0.30, 5 folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) Qc Ts As (2 players)
SB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.50) 4h (2 players)
SB bets $2.60, Hero folds

Vill was 20/16 and 3bet% 11.8 over 98hand.. should I have just hit the fold on the flop?
 
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youregoodmate said:
Most Ax hands will check back there so we do beat a lot of air.

Saying that I don't like the call. I bet the turn as well.

Why would Ax pot the turn and then x back the river though? Maybe he doesn't have much Ax cause of potting the turn tbh. But I definitely don't put lots of random airballs into his turn potting it range.

I didn't notice the bet size until now :eek: Although we should really make a note now cause he floated pretty damn thinly here.
 
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/Logan/ said:
Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

Hero (BTN): $7.00
SB: $7.48 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 6, 3B: 4, AF: 2.0, Hands: 145
BB: $23.73 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 2, AF: 2.8, Hands: 110
UTG: $11.72 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 41
CO: $15.02 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 22, 3B: 9, AF: 2.4, Hands: 73

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with J
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J
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UTG calls $0.05, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.44, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.39, CO calls $0.29

Flop: ($1.39) 9
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(3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.90, UTG calls $0.90, CO raises to $14.57, Hero ?

Easy fold . UTG has 235bb and CO raises to 300bb and i doubt he is such a douche to not see what kinda stack UTG has. Both of them stats are fishy but 2.4 AF is decent and even fishes dont raise that much with FD (at least i havent seen).
 
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Kinda got scared of that heart OTR. Line? b/f or c/c as i did?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2597815
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BTN: $10.00
SB: $7.54
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $10.56
MP: $16.64
CO: $13.38

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with T :heart: T :diamond:
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.40, SB calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.50) 8 :heart: 2 :club: 9 :heart: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.07, CO calls $1.07, SB folds

Turn: ($3.64) Q :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, CO calls $1.90

River: ($7.44) K :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

Final Pot: $10.24
Hero shows T :heart: T :diamond: (a pair of Tens)
CO shows 5 :heart: 7 :club: (high card King)
Hero wins $9.78
(Rake: $0.46)
 
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Scourrge said:
Why would Ax pot the turn and then x back the river though? Maybe he doesn't have much Ax cause of potting the turn tbh. But I definitely don't put lots of random airballs into his turn potting it range.

I didn't notice the bet size until now :eek: Although we should really make a note now cause he floated pretty damn thinly here.

Are we talking about the same hand here?
 
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Speedexas said:
Kinda got scared of that heart OTR. Line? b/f or c/c as i did?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2597815
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BTN: $10.00
SB: $7.54
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $10.56
MP: $16.64
CO: $13.38

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with T <font color='red'>♥</font> T <font color='red'>♦</font>
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.40, SB calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.50) 8 <font color='red'>♥</font> 2 <font color='black'>♣</font> 9 <font color='red'>♥</font> (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.07, CO calls $1.07, SB folds

Turn: ($3.64) Q <font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, CO calls $1.90

River: ($7.44) K <font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

Final Pot: $10.24
Hero shows T <font color='red'>♥</font> T <font color='red'>♦</font> (a pair of Tens)
CO shows 5 <font color='red'>♥</font> 7 <font color='black'>♣</font> (high card King)
Hero wins $9.78
(Rake: $0.46)

Im x/f'ing this one until he bets that spazzy amount.
 
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