MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Matt Vaughan]

Hey guys, what do you think about this K high hero call? Is calling here standard?

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($1.89)
MP - Hero ($2.00)
CO - CO ($0.87)
BTN - BTN ($1.92)
SB - SB ($2.18)
BB - BB ($4.21)

Preflop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is MP with Kd Jd
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: 9h 9c Th ($0.15, 2 players - Hero: $1.94, CO: $0.81)
Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Turn: 2s ($0.31, 2 players - Hero: $1.86, CO: $0.73)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: 2c ($0.31, 2 players - Hero: $1.86, CO: $0.73)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Total Pot: $0.91
CO shows Qs 3h (two pair, Nines and Deuces)
Hero shows Kd Jd (two pair, Nines and Deuces - King kicker)

Hero wins $0.88

I thought there were way more combos of missed draws in his range than pairs and when he suddenly bet pot on river it kinda looked like he was trying to buy the pot, so easy call? But when I saw the complete trash he showed up with tho I was like LOL!

Pretty bad, since tons of his air beats us. Axhh is probably his most likely holding here.

Also, screw "standard." Worry about making the most +EV play imo.

Most Ax hands will check back there so we do beat a lot of air.

Saying that I don't like the call. I bet the turn as well.

Why would Ax pot the turn and then x back the river though? Maybe he doesn't have much Ax cause of potting the turn tbh. But I definitely don't put lots of random airballs into his turn potting it range.

I didn't notice the bet size until now Although we should really make a note now cause he floated pretty damn thinly here.

Are we talking about the same hand here?

Um?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I honestly don't know what's wrong with my brain. I read river action as turn action the second time. Good god.

 

[Logan2]

Easy fold . UTG has 235bb and CO raises to 300bb and i doubt he is such a douche to not see what kinda stack UTG has. Both of them stats are fishy but 2.4 AF is decent and even fishes dont raise that much with FD (at least i havent seen).

JJ, Does it change anything that CO check/raise flop stat is 50%? (3/6), i do fold and utg also fold but after see CO x/r flop % make me wonder.

TT looks fine, mostly x/f on river but that size fine to call.

AK, i 4b pre

 

[youregoodmate]

I honestly don't know what's wrong with my brain. I read river action as turn action the second time. Good god.

Haha you confused the **** out of me.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I confuse the **** out of myself.

2nd work trip of the month. Goodbye for a bit, poker =/

 

[Mase31683]

Guys hating life at the moment. Had my appendix rupture, got it removed and now I'm on day 4 in the hospital...ugh

At least I have the internet. Otherwise I'd be bored out of my mind

Considering playing $1 hu sngs on carbon mobile while bombed on percocet

 

[Speedexas]

JJ, Does it change anything that CO check/raise flop stat is 50%? (3/6), i do fold and utg also fold but after see CO x/r flop % make me wonder.

TT looks fine, mostly x/f on river but that size fine to call.

AK, i 4b pre

Well 50% is total donk but i would still fold JJ there , but thats just me.


Line check here? Sizing OTR?

Donked because wanted to get info (if one of them raises i fold) , almost sh** my pants when he raised river because i lost twice to quads yesterday

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2599327
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $23.28
SB: $6.11
Hero (BB): $25.67
UTG: $20.65
MP: $13.27
CO: $16.61

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with T :club: T :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.90, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.05) 6 :heart: 4 :spade: 8 :spade: (3 players)
Hero bets $1.50, UTG calls $1.50, CO folds

Turn: ($6.05) T :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $4.33, UTG calls $4.33

River: ($14.71) 8 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG raises to $13.82 all in, Hero calls $3.82

Final Pot: $42.35
Hero shows T :club: T :diamond: (a full house, Tens full of Eights)
UTG shows 6 :club: 6 :diamond: (a full house, Sixes full of Eights)
Hero wins $40.85
(Rake: $1.50)

 

[youregoodmate]

Im not crazy on calling OOP there with TT, considering we aren't closing the action and we have a good chance of a 3 way pot if it doesn't get re-raised. TT just doesn't play that well like that.

As played I think donking is the best route, however, I would bet slightly more so that we don't get raised out by flush draws often.

 

[Logan2]

I'm fine with flat pre considering all are deep, as played i donk flop too but bet more, not only to not get raised for draws (you still can get raised) but for value vs draws, smaller pairs & overcards that can continue, to try thin the field and because then will be more easy to size river. I bet little more on turn too, like $4.50-$4.65 (around 75%) then we can just shove river.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

We're deep but we're super face up to anyone with half a brain. We look like we basically always have a PP, probably capped at QQ. Maybe AK if we're passive.

 

[Logan2]

 

[mottotom27]

Im not crazy on calling OOP there with TT, considering we aren't closing the action and we have a good chance of a 3 way pot if it doesn't get re-raised. TT just doesn't play that well like that.

I disagree. Let's remember that everyone's deep here, hence our implied odds are much greater if we hit our set. Also, shouldn't we be encouraging a 3 way pot? Since the more players in the pot the more money we are likely to make if we hit. Obviously a 4 bet sucks, and I agree that playing TT for it's face value isn't great for us but I think calling for set mining purposes is going to be profitable given the deep stacks.

 

[youregoodmate]

The CO is our main target here and he isn't deep enough. Yes if we know UTG won't fold or 4 bet then it's possible but we are still OOP so getting paid off is considerably harder and I don't think its a profitable call. I would rather 4 bet and lead the action.

 

[mottotom27]

I agree OOP makes it tougher but the CO is still pretty deep (over 160bb)

 

[Arran]

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $10 (100 bb)
MP2: $12.09 (120.9 bb)
MP3: $10.04 (100.4 bb)
CO: $12.73 (127.3 bb)
BTN: $12.56 (125.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Jh Jd
Hero raises to $0.30, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30, 4 folds

Flop: ($1.05) Qs Jc 4d (3 players)
Hero bets $0.40, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.85) 7c (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, MP3 calls $0.90

River: ($3.65) As (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, MP3 raises to $8.44 and is all-in, Hero calls $7 and is all-in

MP3 was 50/17 over 25 hands. 3bet 0%. Is this call ok? I can only see KT to beat us here but would you put QQ in his range on the flop since he'd 3b it pre? I think there are more combos we beat if he shoves with 2 pairs. And I bet the river low because of the A being scary, is this ok?

 

[xdeucesx]

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $10 (100 bb)
MP2: $12.09 (120.9 bb)
MP3: $10.04 (100.4 bb)
CO: $12.73 (127.3 bb)
BTN: $12.56 (125.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Jh Jd
Hero raises to $0.30, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30, 4 folds

Flop: ($1.05) Qs Jc 4d (3 players)
Hero bets $0.40, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.85) 7c (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, MP3 calls $0.90

River: ($3.65) As (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, MP3 raises to $8.44 and is all-in, Hero calls $7 and is all-in

MP3 was 50/17 over 25 hands. 3bet 0%. Is this call ok? I can only see KT to beat us here but would you put QQ in his range on the flop since he'd 3b it pre? I think there are more combos we beat if he shoves with 2 pairs. And I bet the river low because of the A being scary, is this ok?

Bigger otf, .75+ imo. Bigger turn as well. If we bet bigger on each street, river won't be as big of a shove. Finally, I'm going 2.50+ on river too.

I'm calling river since he can jam AQ, AK, A10 + 44 and the occasional A4/AJ/A7 and the random bluffs he throws in (tiny %) but nonetheless.

 

[mottotom27]

Agree with xdeuces. Why are we betting so small on each street when we have middle set?? There are plenty of worse hands, (Qx, straight draws etc.) that a fish with 50/17 will happily call off much bigger bets and we want to charge these hands to the max. As played, river is tough since he's never bluffing here...I expect him to show up with K 10 a lot in this spot, but as xdeuces mentioned there are still some value hands that we beat so it's probably still a call. If he did have K 10 then you should be kicking yourself for letting him draw so cheaply!

 

[ScottishMatt]

Tough spot here. I think my thought process was correct but would like to know what you guys think before I say anything.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $12.26 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: $10.89 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: $11.60
Hero (UTG): $10.86
MP: $39.23
CO: $6.39 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T:club: J:club:

Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) 5:club: 8:club: Q:club:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.63, MP calls $0.63, SB calls $0.63

Turn: ($2.89, 3 players) K:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets $1.82, MP raises to $6.62, SB raises to $9.96 and is all-in

Hero?

 

[xdeucesx]

Tough spot here. I think my thought process was correct but would like to know what you guys think before I say anything.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $12.26 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: $10.89 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: $11.60
Hero (UTG): $10.86
MP: $39.23
CO: $6.39 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T<font color='black'>♣</font> J<font color='black'>♣</font>

Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) 5<font color='black'>♣</font> 8<font color='black'>♣</font> Q<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB checks, Hero bets $0.63, MP calls $0.63, SB calls $0.63

Turn: ($2.89, 3 players) K<font color='red'>♥</font>
SB checks, Hero bets $1.82, MP raises to $6.62, SB raises to $9.96 and is all-in

Hero?

Feels a bit light raising J10s pre UTG at 10 zoom.

Flop- fine, but probably go .80.
Turn- I'm honestly not folding like ever. There can be worse flushes out there + tons of Qx/K/Ax hands with one pair + FD. Also, AK one club could be a big portion of his jamming range here. KQ/sets as well.

I see where your going with the thinking and I think it's a good skill to evaluate spots like this where you usually just snap and lol when he shows you a higher flush. However, I think this is one of those true coolers where I'm just not folding at 10nl w/a made flush when theres so many combos of one pair + club hands that could take the exact same line.

Also, I think SB's re-jam is negated in strength somewhat since MP raised. If SB has a one pair + club hand, he kind of just has to jam and he probably won't want to fold something like AK w/Ac since it's 10nl.

edit: technically, were not even dead to NF either w/the 1 out redraw to straight flush.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Normally I snap. Perhaps it's because I dropped a couple BI getting it in in completely standard spots earlier in the session that I actually folded.

I put SB on pretty much the nuts TBH. I don't see what he is ever gonna flat flop that GII OTT. Like all his smaller flushes should definitely raise flop after a bet+call right?

Anyway was pretty gutted to see 5's and 8's. River bricked as well lol. Suppose they wanted me to barrel my weaker hands for two streets and to half my equity with Acx.


I've made worse plays so I'm not too bothered about it. Would you consider folding at higher limits Deuces?

 

[mottotom27]

Not really a tough spot. There's only the A and K high flush that beat us, whereas we beat so many lower flushes/sets/two pair/pair+FD combos that we can't ever fold here.

 

[xdeucesx]

Normally I snap. Perhaps it's because I dropped a couple BI getting it in in completely standard spots earlier in the session that I actually folded.

I put SB on pretty much the nuts TBH. I don't see what he is ever gonna flat flop that GII OTT. Like all his smaller flushes should definitely raise flop after a bet+call right?

Anyway was pretty gutted to see 5's and 8's. River bricked as well lol. Suppose they wanted me to barrel my weaker hands for two streets and to half my equity with Acx.


I've made worse plays so I'm not too bothered about it. Would you consider folding at higher limits Deuces?

It would be super villain dependent, but sometimes. I think it's hard to fold just bc the board is so juicy, tons of sets/2p's/one pair + club combos. If it was a super tight reg who I knew wasn't GII light, if at all, (Think arranit), I could consider folding, but most of the time GII.


Still, solid to think about spots like this. I think one of the biggest steps as a micro player is understanding what is actually a cooler and what isn't. It sounds easy in practice, but too many times you see someone post a HH saying "lolcooler" where they just spewed hard and paid off a nit with like a small flush in a spot where they're literally never good lol.


*in class, so sorry if that's kind of vague, but I hope the general point gets across

 

[ScottishMatt]

Thanks for the breakdown man. Normally I GII. I know what was stopping me was the two BI I dropped only a few orbits earlier that kind of tilted me. Could have done the opposite and made me call down lighter in dumb spots which would have lost me more so not too fussed. I'll be on Skype in like ten mins man and will send you a message.

 

[xdeucesx]

Thanks for the breakdown man. Normally I GII. I know what was stopping me was the two BI I dropped only a few orbits earlier that kind of tilted me. Could have done the opposite and made me call down lighter in dumb spots which would have lost me more so not too fussed. I'll be on Skype in like ten mins man and will send you a message.

sounds good brotha

 

[ScottishMatt]

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $11.98
BB: $10.50 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 40.00, Hands: 12)
CO: $12.04 (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 41.67, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 12)
BTN: $10.27 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6:club: 7:club:

fold, BTN raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, BTN calls $0.65

Flop: ($1.90, 2 players) T:club: 4:spade: A:spade:
Hero bets $1.19, BTN calls $1.19

Turn: ($4.28, 2 players) 3:club:
Hero bets $2.33, BTN calls $2.33

River: ($8.94, 2 players) 2:heart:
Hero checks, BTN checks


Had made a few moves against him previously so didn't feel like a triple would work out too well. With completely unchanged board texture I feel like the only hand I'm ever getting called with OTF that will fold to a double is JJ. 2P+ jams turn and his Ax is never folding to two barrels and I don't feel like betting three streets when I miss considering meta factors. In hindsight I think X/J turn is good as we can bomb river if he checks back and we hit + we extract vs his floats and maximise fold equity. Agree?