AHA!!!,, so heres a hand i messed up Royally due to making tricky sizes to induce.
I deserve to have lost this hand only cause of my bet sizing. At least i didnt go broke.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
UTG ($17.58)
MP ($10.05)
Hero (CO) ($10.35)
Button ($10.89)
SB ($3.95)
BB ($4)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 6
, 6
UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.65) J
, 10
, 6
(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold
Turn: ($2.65) Q
(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.90, UTG calls $0.90
River: ($4.45) 8
(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks
Total pot: $4.45 | Rake: $0.22
Results below:
I deserve to have lost this hand only cause of my bet sizing. At least i didnt go broke.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
UTG ($17.58)
MP ($10.05)
Hero (CO) ($10.35)
Button ($10.89)
SB ($3.95)
BB ($4)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 6
UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.65) J
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold
Turn: ($2.65) Q
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.90, UTG calls $0.90
River: ($4.45) 8
UTG checks, Hero checks
Total pot: $4.45 | Rake: $0.22
Results below:
UTG had K
, 9
(straight, King high).
Hero had 6
, 6
(three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: UTG won $4.23
Hero had 6
Outcome: UTG won $4.23
And another catastrophe .
My flat pre is horrible.. My call on flop is alright a guess. My turn lead though? The whole thing stinks.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/
MP ($30.24)
CO ($22.60)
Button ($10.92)
SB ($7.42)
Hero (BB) ($11.10)
UTG ($20.27)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 8
, A
1 fold, MP raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.85) 5
, 8
, 9
(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.59, Hero calls $0.59
Turn: ($2.03) 2
(2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, MP raises to $1.90, Hero folds
Total pot: $3.43 | Rake: $0.17
Results below:
My flat pre is horrible.. My call on flop is alright a guess. My turn lead though? The whole thing stinks.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/
MP ($30.24)
CO ($22.60)
Button ($10.92)
SB ($7.42)
Hero (BB) ($11.10)
UTG ($20.27)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 8
1 fold, MP raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.85) 5
Hero checks, MP bets $0.59, Hero calls $0.59
Turn: ($2.03) 2
Hero bets $0.70, MP raises to $1.90, Hero folds
Total pot: $3.43 | Rake: $0.17
Results below:
MP didn't show
Outcome: MP won $3.26
Outcome: MP won $3.26
66 why are trying to induce on that board? just bet big, if he want to raise draws, yay us. but normally he is going to call with them irrespective of our hands so just bet larger and get heaps of value. as played bet turn bigger, as played i still bet river for like 55% pot he doesn't have many 9x hands, lots more 2pair and Qx hands that are going to call.
A8hh
fold pre,
flop i guess is a call but I honestly wouldn't just mind folding
turn lead is silly what is it trying to accomplish?
A8hh
fold pre,
flop i guess is a call but I honestly wouldn't just mind folding
turn lead is silly what is it trying to accomplish?
gave normal speed 6max a try. I think i like it.
3 handed. this guy caught me tripple barrel bluffing in just the previous hand and took like 40% of my stack or something.
Could tell he was a fish by his line in previous hand though.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (3 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
SB ($10.05)
Hero (BB) ($10)
Button ($14.36)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
, 10
Button raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.95, Button calls $0.65
Flop: ($1.95) 3
, 10
, 5
(2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, Button calls $1.50
Turn: ($4.95) 9
(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3.85, Hero raises to $7.55 (All-In), Button calls $3.70
River: ($20.05) K
(2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $20.05 | Rake: $1
Results below:
3 handed. this guy caught me tripple barrel bluffing in just the previous hand and took like 40% of my stack or something.
Could tell he was a fish by his line in previous hand though.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (3 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
SB ($10.05)
Hero (BB) ($10)
Button ($14.36)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
Button raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.95, Button calls $0.65
Flop: ($1.95) 3
Hero bets $1.50, Button calls $1.50
Turn: ($4.95) 9
Hero checks, Button bets $3.85, Hero raises to $7.55 (All-In), Button calls $3.70
River: ($20.05) K
Total pot: $20.05 | Rake: $1
Results below:
Button had K
, Q
(one pair, Kings).
Hero had K
, 10
(two pair, Kings and tens).
Outcome: Hero won $19.05
Hero had K
Outcome: Hero won $19.05
vinylspiros said:
Id like to see you slow it down a bit and maybe 6-8 table nl10 normal tables you can always two table nl5 rush along side 4-6 nl10 none rush tables to keep you occupied but really, you shouldn't be getting bored at non rush tables, you should be zoned in and paying attention to the action of the other players considering they will be at our table the whole time rather than rush every hand is different and players all play a certain robotic way becomes very tenuous imo. Also when playing like 4-6 none rush tables you should always be lobby shopping for fishier tables, table selection and finding better spots on tables ie. fish on our correct sides and finding good seats and players to exploit. Dont always have to just do the 4 tables nl10 rush. Id be going nuts doing that 😛
long_bong said:
You know what my man, your not the oly person that has suggested that in the past week or so. I have spoken to a few people and they all have suggested playing normal speed tables because when i locate the fish, they are gonna be at my table the entire time so i can abuse em.
Im going to commit my entire day today into playing normal speed tables to see if there is any difference.
Gonna be posting the results at the end of the day. bankroll is at 292$$. gotta move upman. being breakeven is so boring.
Thnks long bong. EDIT: put the bong down😛
vinylspiros said:
100% wrong thinking man. Don't worry about moving up! Don't worry about making money yet! Just worry about improving your game! Focus on spots and lines and all that other good stuff and stop looking at your cashier while grinding please!!!!!
Vin
Taking notes and colour labeling your fish is important. I label the fish I come across with blue. Then when Im in the lobby I can scroll and see what tables they are on. These players are your bankroll builders. I also label the regs and tricky players orange and red and avoid tables with too many of them on.
At the end of a rush session I go back through all the hands that went to showdown where you folded and note all the fish that you normally don't see otherwise . knowledge is power
Taking notes and colour labeling your fish is important. I label the fish I come across with blue. Then when Im in the lobby I can scroll and see what tables they are on. These players are your bankroll builders. I also label the regs and tricky players orange and red and avoid tables with too many of them on.
At the end of a rush session I go back through all the hands that went to showdown where you folded and note all the fish that you normally don't see otherwise . knowledge is power
Figaroo2 said:
i hear ya fig. There isnt one player in the entire 2NL and 5NL player pool that i dont have color coded. If there i just assume hes a noob.
Gonna be trying normal speed to see how it goes. Gonna be making notes too since its gonna be kinda slower.
thnks man.
villain s a total fish running like 75/55 over 80 hands.
lines ok right?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
Hero (BB) ($10.27)
UTG ($7.49)
MP ($7)
CO ($8.83)
Button ($10)
SB ($10)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 8
, 7
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.40) 8
, Q
, 7
(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold
Turn: ($1.20) 5
(2 players)
Hero bets $1.21, CO calls $1.21
River: ($3.62) 6
(2 players)
Hero bets $1.55, CO raises to $3.10, Hero?
lines ok right?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
Hero (BB) ($10.27)
UTG ($7.49)
MP ($7)
CO ($8.83)
Button ($10)
SB ($10)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 8
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.40) 8
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold
Turn: ($1.20) 5
Hero bets $1.21, CO calls $1.21
River: ($3.62) 6
Hero bets $1.55, CO raises to $3.10, Hero?
Blobweird123 said:
I assume your cool with my flop and turn line though?
So lets assume you are. Are you suggesting i bet big, bet big and then checkfold river? thats kinda gross tbh but looking at it again i guess its the only option i have the way the board ran out.
vinylspiros said:
Well I prob bet turn a bit smaller, but potting is prob fine too. Major thing we don't see in your HH's is their stats. WE WANT STATS! lol It would help a bit to know their play style. Also like you said take them notes. Like here are a few notes on a fishreg that I have:
-utg opens 6x and he flats K8o 4way in BB
-flats huge 4bet with J6o
-3bets K4o and bet/calls jam with 50bbs on T45tt
-donk 27bb pot with PSB 468tt 3way and folds to raise
I make them pretty specific. But sometimes those "precise" notes are what lead us to better decisions. And same goes for commenting on your hands. So I can't say with any certainty exact sizing i'd use since I don't know if he's a fish that calls 3 streets with Qx, or what ya know?
But river as much as it sucks prob is just a check/fold tbh. Sure some are gonna stab there, and I prob still call a small bet. But I'm for sure never bet/calling here.
Sorry man, egg sucking comments regarding labeling just hadn't seen you mention it before, well intended.
Re the last hand, his range is so wide he could easily have the straight so fold is probably right.
These thin value spots are tough. Its probably +ev in the long run to bet here. John A pointed out to me yesterday you have to make disciplined laydowns if you get raised though in these spots.
Re the last hand, his range is so wide he could easily have the straight so fold is probably right.
These thin value spots are tough. Its probably +ev in the long run to bet here. John A pointed out to me yesterday you have to make disciplined laydowns if you get raised though in these spots.
Blobweird123 said:
I see what you mean. Yea blob, notes are really important. I used to make detailed notes when i used to play on stars before the LOLself-ban.
On FTP, its not too easy to bring up the notes for some reason. To be totally honest i dont even know how to bring up the player notes on ftp. I just look at the color code and the stats for a general opinion if i need it.
And if you loook back at the hand, i did provide stats. I said hes a fish running 75/55 which probably makes it an even easier fold.
thnks blob. Your offering good things to the thread. much appreciated.