This is FTP? At 10NL FR there are some huge fish (aggro type), all you need to do to destroy is identify them and sit on their left. Easy peasy. Dunno about 6-max but I assume it is almost the same.
Basically I think the easiest way to win is to sort the player types correctly with NOTES (use colors).
Players to look for:
1) aggrofish - Sit on their left.
2) autobettor fit-or-folders (weak but attack perceived weakness with multiple barrels) - This is by far the most profitable player type in the universe (because they can be bled over time basically forever once you identify them). Sit on their RIGHT and play counter-poker 😀 if they realize what you are doing, switch the strategy. Once they stop autobetting every check you basically own their souls and they are your bitches. Being feared is fun and profitable.
3) whales - Weekends. 'nuff said. Sit left.
4) maniacs - Best is to simply know who they are. They tend to come back a lot. Sit left.
Expect variance vs. types 1, 3 and 4 but such is life.
Basically I think the easiest way to win is to sort the player types correctly with NOTES (use colors).
Players to look for:
1) aggrofish - Sit on their left.
2) autobettor fit-or-folders (weak but attack perceived weakness with multiple barrels) - This is by far the most profitable player type in the universe (because they can be bled over time basically forever once you identify them). Sit on their RIGHT and play counter-poker 😀 if they realize what you are doing, switch the strategy. Once they stop autobetting every check you basically own their souls and they are your bitches. Being feared is fun and profitable.
3) whales - Weekends. 'nuff said. Sit left.
4) maniacs - Best is to simply know who they are. They tend to come back a lot. Sit left.
Expect variance vs. types 1, 3 and 4 but such is life.
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None of the hands posted on this page have "Rush" or "Fast" in the title, so I figured they aren't Rush.
Even if they are:
1) it is trivial to put a few stats in the HUD
2) there is such a thing as session analysis, where he can put notes on players (all hands are shown completely)
3) there is also database analysis which easily identifies big losers and from there all it takes is some time to analyze them
Yes it is easier to robotically click buttons and say "I can't use my brain in Rush/Zoom, it is SO fast man" but it is more profitable this way.
Feel free to use the suicide smiley, it suits you. Also double facepalm at "impossible". Incredible stuff.
Even if they are:
1) it is trivial to put a few stats in the HUD
2) there is such a thing as session analysis, where he can put notes on players (all hands are shown completely)
3) there is also database analysis which easily identifies big losers and from there all it takes is some time to analyze them
Yes it is easier to robotically click buttons and say "I can't use my brain in Rush/Zoom, it is SO fast man" but it is more profitable this way.
Feel free to use the suicide smiley, it suits you. Also double facepalm at "impossible". Incredible stuff.
THREAD UPDATE. :
To make a long story short. These are all of the hands i played during this challenge including all my limits. 2,5,10 and 25 NL.
Started this challenge on february 5th with 10 deposit and today which is a little less than 2 months later i am totally breakeven. Roll is at 250$. 100% exclusively due to rakeback and FTP bonuses. Which are at around 50$ a week or something since i hit platinum and am making 2$ per 100 FTP's.
Am not grinding that much these past days mostly cause i am bored of cash games due to not really seeing any "amazing results". Being breakeven after all these hands is straining on a mental level.
Here it is though. My total hands on everything i played since Feb 5th till today.
Maybe the graph hasnt skyrocketed but in all honesty, when i started this thread , i was a gazillion times worse of a player than what i am today so i really feel that along with the 250$ that i have won that the true profit i have gained is the experience and the ability to make better in depth thought about the game. Putting people on ranges and having a clearer picture of how the game is played . Now ,i certainly did fall onto a brick wall when i hit 10NL and the variance was way bigger than it was at the smaller limits but i believe that has been going on because i am not my a-game due to maybe playing more than i should be. and trying to expedite results in many situations.
So im going to take a mini-mini break that wont last longer than a few days to a week or so and then will get back here continuing to grind 10NL where i am currently grinding because right now i feel like i am just clicking buttons and that is not the same thing i was feeling a month back.😛
thank you to everyone who posted here and helped me out. You guys are really awesome.
Enjoy.
To make a long story short. These are all of the hands i played during this challenge including all my limits. 2,5,10 and 25 NL.
Started this challenge on february 5th with 10 deposit and today which is a little less than 2 months later i am totally breakeven. Roll is at 250$. 100% exclusively due to rakeback and FTP bonuses. Which are at around 50$ a week or something since i hit platinum and am making 2$ per 100 FTP's.
Am not grinding that much these past days mostly cause i am bored of cash games due to not really seeing any "amazing results". Being breakeven after all these hands is straining on a mental level.
Here it is though. My total hands on everything i played since Feb 5th till today.
Maybe the graph hasnt skyrocketed but in all honesty, when i started this thread , i was a gazillion times worse of a player than what i am today so i really feel that along with the 250$ that i have won that the true profit i have gained is the experience and the ability to make better in depth thought about the game. Putting people on ranges and having a clearer picture of how the game is played . Now ,i certainly did fall onto a brick wall when i hit 10NL and the variance was way bigger than it was at the smaller limits but i believe that has been going on because i am not my a-game due to maybe playing more than i should be. and trying to expedite results in many situations.
So im going to take a mini-mini break that wont last longer than a few days to a week or so and then will get back here continuing to grind 10NL where i am currently grinding because right now i feel like i am just clicking buttons and that is not the same thing i was feeling a month back.😛
thank you to everyone who posted here and helped me out. You guys are really awesome.
Enjoy.
Do you have any idea why your red line fell away so sharply at the end?
I found playing at higher limits the players are 3 betting more and are a bit more sticky and not folding on the flop and floating the turn more in position. My redline was suffering until I tightened up in EP so have the hand strength to 4 bet and 3 barrel these players more often.
I found playing at higher limits the players are 3 betting more and are a bit more sticky and not folding on the flop and floating the turn more in position. My redline was suffering until I tightened up in EP so have the hand strength to 4 bet and 3 barrel these players more often.
Figaroo2 said:
Exactly!! the last 20k hands of this graph were 10 and 25NL mixed . The higher the limits, the more floating IP there is going on . This put me in some really yucky spots where i had to make some really questionable folds.
But its falling that sharply cause there is a lot of 25NL in that part so you know. Beginning of graph is 2NL so it definitely is going to be falling sharper the higher the limit i guess.
Is your red line not going downwards?
I would suggest, if you haven't already done it, you examine your graph closely to see where the big rises and falls happened and how they relate to how you were playing.
For example it looks like you had a massive cooler between 70 and 80K in hands...tilted?
Then you got it back togethor with a great upswing from hands 80-84K and then lost it all again.
The point is I think its good to look back on the chart and learn...If there was tilt then next time to recognise it and stop playing before you undo all your good work.
Ultimately your redline has wiped all your profit and I think that is therefore where you need to look to improve.
I know you like rush/zoom fast style poker but I think you would benefit from trying out different formats and stakes to see if there are other formats you can beat.
My red line is going downwards but not to the same extent...lets not make this about my stats. (i'll pm you with those)
For example it looks like you had a massive cooler between 70 and 80K in hands...tilted?
Then you got it back togethor with a great upswing from hands 80-84K and then lost it all again.
The point is I think its good to look back on the chart and learn...If there was tilt then next time to recognise it and stop playing before you undo all your good work.
Ultimately your redline has wiped all your profit and I think that is therefore where you need to look to improve.
I know you like rush/zoom fast style poker but I think you would benefit from trying out different formats and stakes to see if there are other formats you can beat.
My red line is going downwards but not to the same extent...lets not make this about my stats. (i'll pm you with those)
Not really much to explain. A tight player playing in a loose, aggressive game might lose quite a lot on their red line, but it will be balanced by their blue line because people are stacking it off so light that the only times the hero is even winning pots is by getting to showdown. Or a very laggy player in a nitty game might have their lines "flipped," with a positive red line and a negative blue line, because the only times he DOES get called down on his bluffs, he's crushed. A very strong player in a very soft game (imagine Phil Ivey playing 2nl) might manage to have both lines positive and crushing.
None of those graphs is inherently bad in any way, and without further info on how the hero is playing hands, you can't really say that having a steeply negative is "bad." Again, MOST winning players have a positive blue line and a negative red line.
In Vinyl's specific case, as he said, his graph represents a variety of stakes, with the larger ones (25nl specifically) at the end. So naturally the swings will be significantly steeper, since all of the pots are relatively larger.
None of those graphs is inherently bad in any way, and without further info on how the hero is playing hands, you can't really say that having a steeply negative is "bad." Again, MOST winning players have a positive blue line and a negative red line.
In Vinyl's specific case, as he said, his graph represents a variety of stakes, with the larger ones (25nl specifically) at the end. So naturally the swings will be significantly steeper, since all of the pots are relatively larger.
Scourrge said:
Good points.
LD1977 said:
Yea, i wasnt trying to draw any conclusions whatsoever. My conclusions have been already reached. just wanted to let everyone know whats going on in a more general sense as far as this challenge's results were concerned.
Anyhow, loving taking a few days off the cash tables and hanging around the forum and doing more non-poker related things.
Will deffo be back posting more hands. Its gonna be a long year, i can tell you that much.😛
Figaroo2 said:
^^^^^ that would be cool. Im all down for comparing stats and maybe pinpointing some key differences.
And yea, tilt did have a huge effect on my results and especially on graph variance. Wasnt that great of an idea to be playing 25NL with a 350$ roll but you know how it goes.
Anyways. thanks again figaro.
Viny could you post graph with ev-line and results by stake with ev-bb?
I have this idea that you was on a god mode heater when you was playing 2nl/5nl, maybe bad results on 10nl/25nl are not that you playing bad,
like you mention you probably are better player now than when started the challenge but could be just variance geting even for early run good.
Also, this is all rush right?. Maybe should try reg tables, they are less swingy.
I have this idea that you was on a god mode heater when you was playing 2nl/5nl, maybe bad results on 10nl/25nl are not that you playing bad,
like you mention you probably are better player now than when started the challenge but could be just variance geting even for early run good.
Also, this is all rush right?. Maybe should try reg tables, they are less swingy.
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/Logan/ said:
Logan cant be bothered taking snappies of all my graphs or whatever but this is how it looks by stake.
10NL was bad for me. Was up 15 buy ins and ended up down 22. thats almost a 40 BI Downswing and i guarantee you more than 50% of that was tilt related due to not being able accept the downswing.
Notice how my 10NL stats are exactly the way they should be. I was playing perfectly but crazy things were happening to your boy vinyl. at some point i started thinking it must be rigged. I dont think it is, i just had no logical explanation as to why my A-game wasnt paying me off.
I can post a million hands here where i had the nuts and lost to magical river cards and stuuf like that but watevs. Downswing i guess.
