LD1977 said:
I would not call that too risky at all, but its a shame to see you spew off a roll you worked hard for OP,
If you can afford that 300 then go for it, maybe you should put a few dollars into a euro site to play 2nl when your tilting at stars, or get back at 5nl and force yourself to grind out some losses back.
Either way gl and will be following. You wont be the first to tilt away a roll and you will not be the last, its how you learn from it that matters.
LD1977 said:
60 BUY IN RULE?
LD, honestly man, I respect all your posts and KNOW that your ane awesome player and all, BUT, 60 buy ins seems a bit too much.😕
Is that what you followed?
I dont mind giving it a try, but ,its gonna be kind of impossible to turn 300 into 600 playing only 5NL. ?? (impossible= never ending process)
FFS. How can it be impossible? I did it first try.
Listen, I stared from zero and with this BRM I made it to 2.840$ in less that 13 months while never being even close to busting. I had several 15BI downswings along the way BTW.
I mean, you can try forever but statistics (what people call "variance") is a bitch.
The important point that you are missing (even though you mentioned it yourself) that by simply grinding you get lots of bonuses and promotions (including tournaments) that make you a lot of $$$$.
My total winnings on the cash tables are 836$. TOTAL. And I have made 2.840$ in the year. The difference is 2k $ from bonuses, promotions and some freerolls. It isn't magic.
It is blindingly obvious I am a very average player considering the amount of playing I did. Barely winning reg. What if I was actually any good? 😀
So, strategy >>>>> tactics.
Listen, I stared from zero and with this BRM I made it to 2.840$ in less that 13 months while never being even close to busting. I had several 15BI downswings along the way BTW.
I mean, you can try forever but statistics (what people call "variance") is a bitch.
The important point that you are missing (even though you mentioned it yourself) that by simply grinding you get lots of bonuses and promotions (including tournaments) that make you a lot of $$$$.
My total winnings on the cash tables are 836$. TOTAL. And I have made 2.840$ in the year. The difference is 2k $ from bonuses, promotions and some freerolls. It isn't magic.
It is blindingly obvious I am a very average player considering the amount of playing I did. Barely winning reg. What if I was actually any good? 😀
So, strategy >>>>> tactics.
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honeycrush said:
thnks alot for support honey. Its good to find support from whithin the community ,esp on the dark days.🙂
/Logan/ said:
Yes, Logan, will be spending this entire week going over stuff and analyzing my database. Probably gonna get LD to coach me or smthng.
thnks for posting man. and thnk you for following this thread so far. Good luck in your challenge too.
LD1977 said:
Honestly, thank you for this post. Will be going over many things on a BRM/promotion level and have a solid plan before staring any thing new. Ive busted so many rolls in my lifetime that its not even funny anymore.
I have also played 25nl under rolled before with like 400ish BR and tilted or run like sh1t but I think the difference between us is that I always moved down to 5nl (and set new table restrictions) to rebuild when my roll got down to about $150 because I'm determined not to deposit again. It's feels tedious having to move down and rebuild but it's the only way to avoid going bust.
Good luck with the next run!
Good luck with the next run!
duggs said:
what do you mean, a floor?
micromachine said:
thnks MM. Yea when you see your roll turn from 400+ into 120( all in one day), its all i need to blow the rest away in a heartbeat.(obviously playing underolled in order to get back to where i was. Standard story)
Will be back posting as soon as i figure out a plan.
vinylspiros said:
yeah his threads are all pretty long but i skimmed through most of them and actually pulled some good information out of them just by reading some of the hand histories he would post and his thoughts and explanations on how he played the hands. Oh and he would take like 2 BI shots at 25NL when he already had like 100 BI's (or more i can't honestly remember lol did the same for 50NL as well i think) for the level lol
Anyways sorry to hear that you tilted off your roll man and good luck with the next grind, Manage that bankroll!! lol .
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duggs said:
I think Duggs means set an actual plan- try 10nl 250 dollars and move down if you lose 5 bis, make a plan and stick to it. Ots all good moving up but if you do not know when to move down then your just gonna keep going bustooooo.
I had a failed 10nl attempt last week myself and moved down, playing awful atm though.
I just looked at the last hand you posted... villains range is somin like, flush 25% of the time, Big flush draw 50%, Set or nuts single pair 50%... as were only beat 25% of the time, you may think we should raise, problem is, he will call almost all his range and on the river he can own you with all of it. (he will fold all his weaker hands and put money in with the stronger ones). If we call, he will still own you on the river.
The answer isn't fold. The answer is bet the turn. Why check, your trying to run before you can walk. Look at my 2 second guide to poker n learn that stuff before you try to make clever plays... what line was it you took; call, check raise, check... Many huge players wouldn't even know how to play a line like that. Just Bet on the turn, if he raises fold.
The answer isn't fold. The answer is bet the turn. Why check, your trying to run before you can walk. Look at my 2 second guide to poker n learn that stuff before you try to make clever plays... what line was it you took; call, check raise, check... Many huge players wouldn't even know how to play a line like that. Just Bet on the turn, if he raises fold.
Yadoula said:
the check on the turn after flatting his flop 3-bet was to allow him to continue his story. I didnt want to Jam the flop, as 99% of the time i am ahead there and want to get more value out of my hand by allowing him to continue betting his SET/OVERPAIR/1card flush/2 pair type hand. If i shove flop, im getting folds by alot of his range.
Im trying not to scare him off and allow him to continue betting with worse hands and make it look like im on a draw myself.
thats why i posted that spot.
thanks for your insight though. Always good to hear peoples opinions. So id take it, you dont like the play.?
SO HERE WE GO AGAIN::viking::viking:
After talking to some people and going through the mental part of the game, i realised that TILT is the enemy.(as if i didnt know that before)
Decided not to go for the 300$ deposit and just deposit 50 euros( which is 68$) and grind my way back up from scratch, If i cant do that , then i dont deserve to be back at 10 or 25 NL or wherever.
So, to make a long story short and get straight to the action, im back to basics. 2NL ZOOM. Im sick and tired of the wash, rinse and repeat ordeal i put myself through after playing so solid. so im gonna try and not go BANANAS this time and TILT my roll.
Managed to put in like 2200 hands in the past 2 hours since i got back on the grind and all i can say is: 2NL is so unbelievably ridiculous that i dont know if its super easy or super impossible to beat.
Im pretty sure i can beat 5NL and 10NL but 2 NL zoom. !!!!! OMG.
a few facts about 2 NL ZOOM( that i realised in the past 2 hours):
- no one ever folds anything to any bet size so i have decided to just shove TPTK and above on the flop to speed up the process of getting it in( in relation to making 3 bets on each street)
-It is very common for people with 100bb to 3bet shove or OPEN SHOVE AQ off and AJ off, not to mention 55 q9 and all that stuff.
-Its probably the most tilting limit on online poker(due to the BS we gotta deal with).
-the money dont mean anything to anyone so the play is more reckless than ever
--I believe these donkykong dynamics lead it to be harder than alot of people claim it is.( but its 100% beatable by anyone that has half a brain)
That said, im gonna continue to play it in the following days and post my progress here( although im sure by this point, noone is interested in this trainwreck of a thread), but whatever. Im sure duggs and LD will find time to reply cause they are bigger cash junkies than i am.
So here goes. Im gonna end this post with some really funny hands that i lost but the entertainment i got from all the villains plays were really worth the money i lost.
ENJOY FELLAS:
Villains stats: 67/33/1.3(aka whale):
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($2.01)
SB ($2.60)
Hero (BB) ($2.19)
UTG ($10.59)
MP ($2.41)
CO ($2.20)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
, K
3 folds, Button raises to $0.06, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.24, Button calls $0.18, SB calls $0.18
Flop: ($0.72) 3
, J
, 4
(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.95 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls $1.95 ( i know the shove is bad here but im pretty sure he would call with any piece of the pie cause thats how 2NL playaz roll)( so he calls 100bigs with a gut shot, awesome bro, 2 thumbs up 😉 )
Turn: ($4.62) 7
(2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($4.62) 6
(2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $4.62 | Rake: $0.16
Results below:
Heres another one of my favorites. whats the use of 3betting if your gonna get called by anything?😀😀
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
Button ($6.91)
SB ($3.02)
Hero (BB) ($2.09)
UTG ($0.29)
MP ($9.26)
CO ($1.24)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
, Q
UTG raises to $0.04, 1 fold, CO calls $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.17, UTG calls $0.13, CO calls $0.13
Flop: ($0.52) 5
, 5
, 6
(3 players)
Hero bets $0.39, UTG calls $0.12 (All-In), CO calls $0.39
Turn: ($1.42) 10
(3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $1.37, CO calls $0.68 (All-In)
River: ($2.78) A
(3 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $2.78 | Rake: $0.10
Results below:
And ill also post one that i liked to show what level of players im up against at 2NL. I cant believe i haven't jumped limits after 2 k hands against these tom dwan wannabe's.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/
Hero (Button) ($2.08)
SB ($0.60)
BB ($3.28)
UTG ($6.21)
MP ($4.41)
CO ($2.87)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8
, 8
2 folds, CO raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, CO calls $0.11
Flop: ($0.33) 2
, 8
, Q
(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($0.33) 10
(2 players)
CO bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.38, CO calls $0.36
River: ($1.09) A
(2 players)
CO bets $2.34 (All-In), Hero calls $1.55 (All-In)
Total pot: $4.19 | Rake: $0.15
Results below:
after this awesome adventure ,im totally breakeven.( might be minus 1 dollar) graph looks like a roller coaster so i wont even bother posting any more graphs untill there is something to see.
After talking to some people and going through the mental part of the game, i realised that TILT is the enemy.(as if i didnt know that before)
Decided not to go for the 300$ deposit and just deposit 50 euros( which is 68$) and grind my way back up from scratch, If i cant do that , then i dont deserve to be back at 10 or 25 NL or wherever.
So, to make a long story short and get straight to the action, im back to basics. 2NL ZOOM. Im sick and tired of the wash, rinse and repeat ordeal i put myself through after playing so solid. so im gonna try and not go BANANAS this time and TILT my roll.
Managed to put in like 2200 hands in the past 2 hours since i got back on the grind and all i can say is: 2NL is so unbelievably ridiculous that i dont know if its super easy or super impossible to beat.
Im pretty sure i can beat 5NL and 10NL but 2 NL zoom. !!!!! OMG.
a few facts about 2 NL ZOOM( that i realised in the past 2 hours):
- no one ever folds anything to any bet size so i have decided to just shove TPTK and above on the flop to speed up the process of getting it in( in relation to making 3 bets on each street)
-It is very common for people with 100bb to 3bet shove or OPEN SHOVE AQ off and AJ off, not to mention 55 q9 and all that stuff.
-Its probably the most tilting limit on online poker(due to the BS we gotta deal with).
-the money dont mean anything to anyone so the play is more reckless than ever
--I believe these donkykong dynamics lead it to be harder than alot of people claim it is.( but its 100% beatable by anyone that has half a brain)
That said, im gonna continue to play it in the following days and post my progress here( although im sure by this point, noone is interested in this trainwreck of a thread), but whatever. Im sure duggs and LD will find time to reply cause they are bigger cash junkies than i am.
So here goes. Im gonna end this post with some really funny hands that i lost but the entertainment i got from all the villains plays were really worth the money i lost.
ENJOY FELLAS:
Villains stats: 67/33/1.3(aka whale):
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($2.01)
SB ($2.60)
Hero (BB) ($2.19)
UTG ($10.59)
MP ($2.41)
CO ($2.20)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
3 folds, Button raises to $0.06, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.24, Button calls $0.18, SB calls $0.18
Flop: ($0.72) 3
SB checks, Hero bets $1.95 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls $1.95 ( i know the shove is bad here but im pretty sure he would call with any piece of the pie cause thats how 2NL playaz roll)( so he calls 100bigs with a gut shot, awesome bro, 2 thumbs up 😉 )
Turn: ($4.62) 7
River: ($4.62) 6
Total pot: $4.62 | Rake: $0.16
Results below:
SB had A
, 5
(straight, seven high).
Hero didn't show K
, K
(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won $4.46
Hero didn't show K
Outcome: SB won $4.46
Heres another one of my favorites. whats the use of 3betting if your gonna get called by anything?😀😀
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
Button ($6.91)
SB ($3.02)
Hero (BB) ($2.09)
UTG ($0.29)
MP ($9.26)
CO ($1.24)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
UTG raises to $0.04, 1 fold, CO calls $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.17, UTG calls $0.13, CO calls $0.13
Flop: ($0.52) 5
Hero bets $0.39, UTG calls $0.12 (All-In), CO calls $0.39
Turn: ($1.42) 10
Hero bets $1.37, CO calls $0.68 (All-In)
River: ($2.78) A
Total pot: $2.78 | Rake: $0.10
Results below:
Hero had Q
, Q
(two pair, Queens and fives).
UTG had Q
, Q
(two pair, Queens and fives).
CO had 6
, 5
(full house, fives over sixes).
Outcome: CO won $2.68
UTG had Q
CO had 6
Outcome: CO won $2.68
And ill also post one that i liked to show what level of players im up against at 2NL. I cant believe i haven't jumped limits after 2 k hands against these tom dwan wannabe's.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/
Hero (Button) ($2.08)
SB ($0.60)
BB ($3.28)
UTG ($6.21)
MP ($4.41)
CO ($2.87)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8
2 folds, CO raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, CO calls $0.11
Flop: ($0.33) 2
CO checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($0.33) 10
CO bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.38, CO calls $0.36
River: ($1.09) A
CO bets $2.34 (All-In), Hero calls $1.55 (All-In)
Total pot: $4.19 | Rake: $0.15
Results below:
Hero had 8
, 8
(three of a kind, eights).
CO had J
, 10
(one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero won $4.04
CO had J
Outcome: Hero won $4.04
after this awesome adventure ,im totally breakeven.( might be minus 1 dollar) graph looks like a roller coaster so i wont even bother posting any more graphs untill there is something to see.
villains running 15/10/1.6
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($6.29)
SB ($7.19)
BB ($7.20)
UTG ($5.43)
Hero (MP) ($5.81)
CO ($2.55)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 8
, A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BB calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.32) K
, 8
, A
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30
Turn: ($0.92) J
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.44, BB raises to $0.88, Hero calls $0.44
River: ($2.68) 7
(2 players)
BB bets $5.87 (All-In), Hero folds
Total pot: $2.68 | Rake: $0.11
Results below:
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($6.29)
SB ($7.19)
BB ($7.20)
UTG ($5.43)
Hero (MP) ($5.81)
CO ($2.55)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BB calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.32) K
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30
Turn: ($0.92) J
BB checks, Hero bets $0.44, BB raises to $0.88, Hero calls $0.44
River: ($2.68) 7
BB bets $5.87 (All-In), Hero folds
Total pot: $2.68 | Rake: $0.11
Results below:
BB didn't show