*****Vinyl's GonnaCrushDAmicros 6max thread******

[vinylspiros]

Reality check:

Has limping the cutoff or button become the norm nowadays? or is it still frowned upon?


Because i get the feeling that at higher levels people have started limping buttons and cutoffs. am i way off here?

 

[JOEBOB69]

Phil Hellmuth playing at your tables?

 

[vinylspiros]

Vinyl
Seriously sounds like time to move countries. I mean I love my country but not enough to allow them that rake!!

Your right. Canada, here i come!

 

[vinylspiros]

Put in another mini session at fulltilt playing a little 5NL rush poker.

All i have to say is this: If you seriously want to make money go play on Fulltilt. The amount of calling stations you come across is endless. I mean, these guys will call you down with any piece of the board and at the same time call huge 3bets light and fold to C bets nonstop.(you obviously have to pick which flops you will be Cbetting to get the desired result but you get the picture)


I played like 600'ish hands which is a tiny sample but im pretty sure im gonna spend the whole weekend(fish time) playing rush and see where i can get my roll.


first im gonna post my stats and stuff. Then im going to post some hands that show the level of competition im facing .









And here are some WTF hands. ( all versus unknowns as everyone on FTP is an unknown for me)


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($9.54)
Hero (SB) ($7.56)
BB ($8.41)
UTG ($6.02)
MP ($4.11)
CO ($10.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, A

UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BB calls $0.20, 1 fold, MP calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.80) 5

, J

, A

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.35, Hero raises to $1.19, 1 fold, MP calls $0.84

Turn: ($3.18) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.05, MP calls $2.67 (All-In)

River: ($8.52) 10

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $8.52 | Rake: $0.42

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had Q

, A

(one pair, Aces).
MP had 8

, A

(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $8.10

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Hero (BB) ($6.79)
UTG ($5.82)
MP ($7.69)
CO ($9.02)
Button ($3.69)
SB ($5.83)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2

, 2

UTG raises to $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 2

, 10

, 9

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.45, UTG calls $0.45, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.37) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.31, UTG calls $1.31

River: ($3.99) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.43, UTG raises to $3.91 (All-In), Hero calls $2.48

Total pot: $11.81 | Rake: $0.59

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had 2

, 2

(four of a kind, twos).
UTG had Q

, 4

(one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero won $11.22

On this hand i can kind of understand his call as i played it kinda tricky,but still...(tens?) comeon now.



Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Hero (CO) ($5.02)
Button ($9.28)
SB ($3.90)
BB ($5.79)
UTG ($5.13)
MP ($4.08)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

, Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.17, 2 folds, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.36) 5

, 4

, 3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.12, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.33

Turn: ($1.26) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $1.26, Hero raises to $4.40 (All-In), BB calls $3.14

River: ($10.06) 7

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10.06 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:

Spoiler

BB had 10

, 10

(one pair, tens).
Hero had Q

, Q

(one pair, Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $9.56

 

[vinylspiros]

^^^^^^^^cant get the duplicated stats at the end of the post above to delete. GRRR

 

[vinylspiros]

Loved this .


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

BB ($5.48)
Hero (UTG) ($5.77)
MP ($5)
CO ($11.36)
Button ($8.26)
SB ($4.04)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5

, 6

Hero raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 3

, 4

, 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, MP raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($1.97) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.18, Hero calls $1.18

River: ($4.33) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.64 (All-In), MP calls $2.87 (All-In)

Total pot: $10.07 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had 5

, 6

(straight flush, six high).
MP had J

, J

(two pair, Jacks and sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $9.57

 

[vinylspiros]

In regards to the AQ hand i posted above, i really could not believe my eyes when he called his stack off with A8. Esp after the line i took. They cant get any worse than that IMO.

 

[Logan2]

Nice Viny.

Man did you realize on last 7 hands posted you got two boats, then quads, and now str8 flush?, next time i want to see a royal.

Keep crushing like a boss, but beware of the $99 mark/day 😀​

 

[vinylspiros]

Nice Viny.

Man did you realize on last 7 hands posted you got two boats, then quads, and now str8 flush?, next time i want to see a royal.

Keep crushing like a boss, but beware of the $99 mark/day 😀​

thnks logan. yea i'm getting nice hands, no doubt. but im not posting to show my hands, im posting to show their calls.!!! (look at what dude shoves 100 bigs with pre)


CHECK THIS OUT. just played this hand. this is getting better and better.




Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (CO) ($5.34)
Button ($5.14)
SB ($11.08)
BB ($10.51)
UTG ($4.71)
MP ($2.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

, K

UTG raises to $0.19, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.64, 3 folds, UTG raises to $4.71 (All-In), Hero calls $4.07

Flop: ($9.49) 2

, 5

, 9

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($9.49) 2

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($9.49) K

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $9.49 | Rake: $0.47

Results below:

Spoiler

UTG had 10

, 10

(two pair, tens and twos).
Hero had K

, K

(full house, Kings over twos).
Outcome: Hero won $9.02

I <3 FTP



EDIT: im stopping at 99$. up 6 buy ins in 750 hands. i aing gonna sleep tonight. Gonna pay my rent at 5NL. 😀😀😀😀😀😀

 

[vinylspiros]

I spoke too soon.


where there is joy there is sorrow.

This hand right here versus this type of player is, EXACTLY, one of the reasons that this limit can be frustrating sometimes. Check out sizing of squeeze, his stack size and how he plays the hand.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

UTG ($8.64)
MP ($5.10)
CO ($16.84)
Button ($20.11)
SB ($2.55)
Hero (BB) ($5.34)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

3 folds, Button raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, Hero raises to $0.60, 1 fold, SB calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.35) A

, 5

, 4

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, SB raises to $1.95 (All-In), Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($5.25) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($5.25) 9

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $5.25 | Rake: $0.26

Results below:

Spoiler

SB had 4

, 5

(two pair, fives and fours).
Hero had K

, A

(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: SB won $4.99

should i have just shoved pre? LOL

 

[LD1977]

Kill 'em all 🙂

 

[vinylspiros]

Kill 'em all 🙂

Oh im killing em ,no doubt. Tonight sessions concluded. Check out these Super aggro stats with a winrate. HooYAH.🙂 5NL .

3bet 13% LOL.

 

[vinylspiros]

Villains stats: 47/33/4
12.5% 3bet ----- 0% fold to 3bet ----- 100% cbet ------100% steal -----------over 44 hands.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($12.18)
BB ($11.43)
UTG ($9.04)
MP ($17.02)
CO ($5.67)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7

, 7

UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.05, 2 folds, UTG raises to $1.80, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.75) 5

, 5

, J

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.75) K

(2 players)
UTG bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

River: ($6.15) 10

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.65, Hero raises to $7 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $11.45 | Rake: $0.57

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show 7

, 7

(two pair, sevens and fives).
Outcome: Hero won $10.88

I might be folding sets on rivers, but ill be damned if i let these kinda aggrodonks bully me around.😛😛😛😛😛

 

[duggs]

spewwwwwwy

 

[vinylspiros]

spewwwwwwy

HAHAHA, your so right. Was on tilt mode. Hate that guy and thought even before the flop opened up, i have AK ,i have AK,i have AK. then when turn comes up im thinking, "rep kings rep kings rep kings.":bom:

 

[vinylspiros]

Also look at his sizing man. I mean come-on,how weak is that from someone who min 4 bet pre.? And on the river what? he has 5$ remaining and he bets 2.65 or smthng. bluff alert.

 

[duggs]

Don't agree with much of that logic

 

[Blobweird123]

Don't agree with much of that logic

This. Your line reps weak hands and he could want value with boats or w/e with this sizing. Spewwwwy AF

 

[LD1977]

There are like zero hands in his range that should play like this, so I imagine he is a fish of some kind?

 

[hackmeplz]

Why the 3b pre?

 

[vinylspiros]

Don't agree with much of that logic

This. Your line reps weak hands and he could want value with boats or w/e with this sizing. Spewwwwy AF

There are like zero hands in his range that should play like this, so I imagine he is a fish of some kind?

Why the 3b pre?

I agree with all of you but,


Does the fact that he is opening 33% of his hand's not mean anything? I am 3 betting for value to be honest and when he min 4 bets,i dont really feel like he is really doing this to inflate the pot.( i get the feeling hes trying to see where he is at,cause people with stats like that have great imagination).

I check flop to go for a little pot control and then when the King comes up on the turn, he goes for like 30%. Is that the type of bet that someone with these stats and a nutted or semi-nutted hand is going to bet? Maybe yea, but it feels like a bluff.

then on the river, again, he bets 30%. He has 5 Dollars behind and he is only betting like 2.65$. The pot is already 6.10$. Why is he betting so little? It must be clear to him that we are both commited. I felt that i could get a fold by shoving as my hand probably doesnt have enough showdown value as he could have QQ, or best case scenario just air.


I DO NOT like my play here and it IS spewy but im not making this play against a nit. I'm making it against someone who is very likely to be bluffing, hence the play.

All in all, this is not a line i follow regularly.. Reason i posted it was to prove that i follwed my HUD dependent read and it worked out. Usually these plays costs us our stack,no doubt. But now and then if villain looks kinda Over-aggro, i like to mix it up a bit. Is this wrong?

 

[Blobweird123]

I agree with all of you but,


Does the fact that he is opening 33% of his hand's not mean anything? I am 3 betting for value to be honest and when he min 4 bets,i dont really feel like he is really doing this to inflate the pot.( i get the feeling hes trying to see where he is at,cause people with stats like that have great imagination).

I check flop to go for a little pot control and then when the King comes up on the turn, he goes for like 30%. Is that the type of bet that someone with these stats and a nutted or semi-nutted hand is going to bet? Maybe yea, but it feels like a bluff.

then on the river, again, he bets 30%. He has 5 Dollars behind and he is only betting like 2.65$. The pot is already 6.10$. Why is he betting so little? It must be clear to him that we are both commited. I felt that i could get a fold by shoving as my hand probably doesnt have enough showdown value as he could have QQ, or best case scenario just air.


I DO NOT like my play here and it IS spewy but im not making this play against a nit. I'm making it against someone who is very likely to be bluffing, hence the play.

All in all, this is not a line i follow regularly.. Reason i posted it was to prove that i follwed my HUD dependent read and it worked out. Usually these plays costs us our stack,no doubt. But now and then if villain looks kinda Over-aggro, i like to mix it up a bit. Is this wrong?

He opened approx. 14 hands over 44 hands. That means nothing whatsoever. I know I've had sessions where in the first 50 hands I get the top 10% of hands about 20 times etc. Wayyyy too small of a sample to say for sure. Hell i've had sessions of over 150 hands where my VPIP/PFR was like 50/38 because the deck kept smacking me in the face.

You complicate this hand more than you should at these limits. Pre is a call, flop is a call to 1/2 pot, turn if he barrels is a fold, river is a fold.

Not to be harsh with you, but well, here goes. I've noticed a pattern with your threads. You run hot for a bit, make some big bluffs that work, then you get LAGgier and LAGgier till you start getting exploited a bit, run like shit, and then spew away your roll. You have it in you already from what we've seen to play some decent poker, so stop getting fancy man. Stick to the plan to print money with big hands and throw away weak hands.

Only saying this because I'd hate to see a spew/tilt/ragequit/withdrawal/whatever post 2 days from now.

 

[vinylspiros]

He opened approx. 14 hands over 44 hands. That means nothing whatsoever. I know I've had sessions where in the first 50 hands I get the top 10% of hands about 20 times etc. Wayyyy too small of a sample to say for sure. Hell i've had sessions of over 150 hands where my VPIP/PFR was like 50/38 because the deck kept smacking me in the face.

You complicate this hand more than you should at these limits. Pre is a call, flop is a call to 1/2 pot, turn if he barrels is a fold, river is a fold.

Not to be harsh with you, but well, here goes. I've noticed a pattern with your threads. You run hot for a bit, make some big bluffs that work, then you get LAGgier and LAGgier till you start getting exploited a bit, run like shit, and then spew away your roll. You have it in you already from what we've seen to play some decent poker, so stop getting fancy man. Stick to the plan to print money with big hands and throw away weak hands.

Only saying this because I'd hate to see a spew/tilt/ragequit/withdrawal/whatever post 2 days from now.

Thnks Blob. Your right. I guess i needed that.

 

[vinylspiros]

So yea,


Roll was deteriorating fast due to some tourneys that were kinda expensivish and some failed attempts to be over aggro.


When i say low, im talking about below 10 bucks. So i decided to go grind 2NL for a bit and play as good as i could.

played like almost 4 k hands of rush poker on fulltilt starting this afternoon and i think that if i can just stick to the plan and put in some volume, im gonna be able to slowly turn the 10$ into something good.


Check out this +12 buy in session. Blob was right. sticking to strong hands and avoiding aggro BS is the way to go.

 

[vinylspiros]

so sick.

+16BI 2NL session. Can this be just a heater?