*****Vinyl's GonnaCrushDAmicros 6max thread******

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WTF JUST HAPPEND? SuperUser? lol Or just SUPER LOSER?:shot:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

CO ($4.73)
Button ($0.78)
SB ($2.27)
BB ($5.56)
Hero (UTG) ($2.03)
MP ($4.64)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8
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, 9
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Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.23) 7
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, 10
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, 2
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.17, CO raises to $0.34, Hero calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.91) 10
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(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

River: ($0.95) 4
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.73, CO calls $0.73

Total pot: $2.41 | Rake: $0.12

Results below:
Hero had 8
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, 9
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(one pair, tens).
CO had J
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, 3
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(one pair, tens).
Outcome: CO won $2.29
 
I like his 3 bet range 😀 Seriously what is with the people and the min bets? Wtf he is trying to accomplish there? Value bet 1/50 pot? bluff?

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Vin leads all his river bluffs hands. An checks all his river value hands. Balance Vin Balance.
O an he put you on 89. Now he can tell his friends "look how great i am"
 
Turn play makes our river play badddd. You turn your hand 100% face up. Even when you trip up on the turn, you can't flat. You're always raising. So by flatting it's just too damn obvious that you're drawing. So don't fire river there, just terrible and you will get looked up by any pair.
 
My play sucks, no doubt. It really does. But sometimes im flatting trips on turn. His bet is just ridiculous and im running so thin that i have to flat, although reraising is a million times better, agreed. Nobody is saying anything about his calldown range when i made an 80% bet on an already inflated pot. J high???! What like the fish had a solid read on me that he thought i raised utg and that his j high is good? Marked him down as robot! Lol.
 
P.s : i hate the way i play the hand. Esp when i flat turn. What a sad little play.
 
eh we're not here to give him advice on his bad play lol. So we concentrate on yours instead 😛. Anyway, be realistic here, you're not flatting trips with the action going like this. I have these spots as well and I hate it too. And not saying I wouldn't flat turn as well, but point is, it does turn your hand face up. Does he know we have 89 and can call down J high? Meh doubt it lol. But it does appear that we have a FD/SD and not much more ever.
 
Couldnt agree with you more blob. Thing is , although im 100% he knows i dont have anything, his turn sizing was a read that he probably didnt either so when river blanks, i believe that versus this type of villain that looks super fishy we can get him to fold A high which is what i was hoping he had. I have seriously stopped bluffing broken draws on rivers. Its just it fel like the right play the way the hand played out. Esp due to villains wierd sizings on all streets.
 
Alright alright, ill admit it. I made a face up river bluff versus a station and now im whinning about it in my thread. What a fish.
 
duggs said:
rake will be higher, ROI will be lower and your hourly will be lower. way bigger edge 100-250bb eff in cash.

i also strongly disagree that cash will be more swingy than sng's
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I just don't want to see OP reach the 4$ bankroll again :afraid:

😎 But seems to be on a mini heater so HOLD IT!!!!:bom:
 
vinyl hopefully you'll take this as constructive criticism, but in general I've noticed you are WAY too fast to be like "wow I'm terrible such a fish obviously that was terrible etc." when in reality everyone makes mistakes and simply dismissing it like that is not going to help prevent them in the future. You need to not only realize that a play you make it sub-optimal but also realize why you made it, truly understand why it was not the correct play, and how to prevent doing it in the future. It's much more important to develop a thought process that can solve many problems and determine what the best course of action is than to simply know that the best play in a certain circumstance is x.
 
hackmeplz said:
vinyl hopefully you'll take this as constructive criticism, but in general I've noticed you are WAY too fast to be like "wow I'm terrible such a fish obviously that was terrible etc." when in reality everyone makes mistakes and simply dismissing it like that is not going to help prevent them in the future. You need to not only realize that a play you make it sub-optimal but also realize why you made it, truly understand why it was not the correct play, and how to prevent doing it in the future. It's much more important to develop a thought process that can solve many problems and determine what the best course of action is than to simply know that the best play in a certain circumstance is x.
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Couldn't agree more. Also don't be hard on yourself in that manner. Someone can be an amazing player and still take a poor line, it happens.
 
hackmeplz said:
vinyl hopefully you'll take this as constructive criticism, but in general I've noticed you are WAY too fast to be like "wow I'm terrible such a fish obviously that was terrible etc." when in reality everyone makes mistakes and simply dismissing it like that is not going to help prevent them in the future. You need to not only realize that a play you make it sub-optimal but also realize why you made it, truly understand why it was not the correct play, and how to prevent doing it in the future. It's much more important to develop a thought process that can solve many problems and determine what the best course of action is than to simply know that the best play in a certain circumstance is x.
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Thnaks Hack. Advice you give here really sunk in. The fish post was obviously intended to be semi-humorous. thing is , when i post the killer plays and feel cool, i feel it's important to also post the crappy plays and learn from the negative criticism cause at the end of the day, negative criticism is the only criticism that will up my game in the long run. Your post above makes a clear point that i will definitely keep in mind.

As Blob posted above, when i flat turn, my hand is face up therefor barreling river is very very thin and not much is ever gonna fold.


No doubt, my line here doesnt make sense and i realise exactly why. Outcome is irrelevant .

Thanks again.
 
Blobweird123 said:
Couldn't agree more. Also don't be hard on yourself in that manner. Someone can be an amazing player and still take a poor line, it happens.
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I hear you bro.thanks.🙂
 
Line check versus nit running 14/12/0.8 over 175 hands?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Hero (BB) ($5.96)
UTG ($2.03)
MP ($2.68)
CO ($1.96)
Button ($2.06)
SB ($2.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5
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, 6
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2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) 5
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, K
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, 3
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(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.13, Hero calls $0.13

Turn: ($0.39) 6
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(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($0.39) 8
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(2 players)
Hero bets $5.77 (All-In) Hoping to get called by AK too optimistic?
 
Way too optimistic lol. Just go for value, even biggish, like 3/4. But jamming will almost never get calls from worse, specifically vs a nit.
 
I dont think that Ak would check turn... maybe smaller pocket pair?
 
Although it was a long shot, i actually got called down by worse. (KJ off!)


After that hand played out and i won by shoving i decided to basically shove all my best hands and even second best hands when they are likely behind but still might be good. In other words, im making marginal shoves and i'm getting called by worse hands for some reason.

It could be that i'm extremely lucky or its just that fish LOVE calling HUGE overshoves because they think we are full of shit. Mostly because they overvalue their hand strength which i think is the most exploitable thing at 2NL.


Here are another two examples of plays that are a bit unconventional but really boosted my winrate and bankroll faster than if i had just played them the conventional way.

Negative criticism welcome. Or arguments as to why these type of plays are bad.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (SB) ($2)
BB ($1.59)
UTG ($6.13)
MP ($1.40)
CO ($1.52)
Button ($1.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2
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, 2
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1 fold, MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, BB raises to $0.24, MP calls $0.22, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.18

Flop: ($0.74) 2
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, 6
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, 8
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(3 players)
Hero bets $1.76 (All-In), BB calls $1.35 (All-In), MP calls $1.16 (All-In)

Turn: ($4.60) Q
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(3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($4.60) Q
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(3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $4.60 | Rake: $0.23

Results below:
Hero had 2
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, 2
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(full house, twos over Queens).
BB had A
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, A
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(two pair, Aces and Queens).
MP had 8
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, 5
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(two pair, Queens and eights).
Outcome: Hero won $4.37


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($2.34)
Hero (BB) ($2)
UTG ($1.57)
MP ($1.86)
CO ($2.05)
Button ($1.58)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9
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, 8
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UTG raises to $0.08, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17) 7
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, 10
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, Q
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(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($0.17) 2
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.13, UTG calls $0.13

River: ($0.43) 6
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.79 (All-In), UTG calls $1.36 (All-In)

Total pot: $3.15 | Rake: $0.15

Results below:
Hero had 9
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, 8
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(straight, ten high).
UTG had Q
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, Q
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(three of a kind, Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $3



In hindsite, i guess it looks like i got really lucky. Like in hand number 2 where villain has QQ, if you were in his shoes do you lay it down?
 
both of those are examples of you stacking a hand you were stacking no matter what, but v their range you are burning money
 
22: I like overlimping instead of iso'ing, esp. when you size it small like that. Can't say much bad about the shove since we do get looked up quite often by Qh-Ah.

89: I like checking turn. And I don't like the shove at all. Qx folds almost always, and flushes snap call obv. He basically had the one hand that can call off that we beat besides mayyybe QT. Too optimistic.

Yes for the moment it may seem like its the way to go and its increasing your w/r blah blah. But once you go down that road, its hard to come back to normal conventional lines which we need in our arsenal to consistently beat the game and avoid crazy variance.
 
Blobweird123 said:
22: I like overlimping instead of iso'ing, esp. when you size it small like that. Can't say much bad about the shove since we do get looked up quite often by Qh-Ah.

89: I like checking turn. And I don't like the shove at all. Qx folds almost always, and flushes snap call obv. He basically had the one hand that can call off that we beat besides mayyybe QT. Too optimistic.

Yes for the moment it may seem like its the way to go and its increasing your w/r blah blah. But once you go down that road, its hard to come back to normal conventional lines which we need in our arsenal to consistently beat the game and avoid crazy variance.
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You don't know how much i need to hear this advice. Cause i do tend to go a bit bananas now and then but Blob, don't you ever make adjustments to your standard lines in particular hands just because you felt that the situation is right or the spot is right?


These hands are definitely not the lines i follow every time but are the exception. Am i the only one who does this kinda stuff?
 
I wanna make an argument that Sure, we have a solid methodology when playing certain hands. But if we believe that 2NL players WILL and DO call with much worse very so often, then doesn't that fact alone allow us to follow unconventional plays here and there if we feel like we can make a bit more money although the line might be a bit risky?
 
and just to call it a night pokerwise as i dont think im going to be able to be putting in any more hands tonight, hereare all the 2NL hands ive played this month since i started the challenge.


am going through a 6k hand breakeven stretch but, im going to try and overcome it in the floowing days.

As you can see from the graph, im playing solid as a rock. It's just that in a few spots i make some unconventional plays. And that's the reason i even post them. Because something about them isn't right so i try to get feedback from you guys, who allow me to say, have helped me ALOT.


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EDIT: when the heck am i going to be able to say i am beating the limit? when i get to a certain net winnings? or when i am beating it at 50 k hands with a good winrate?
 
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