To be sure it’s cheating...... but come on, we would all sneak a peek where we could, regardless of whether we think it’s cheating. The point comes however where you need to remember that this could be a distraction tactic that draws you away from what else is going on at the table. Don’t focus on this sloppy player but stay alert to the other competitors. If you need to, make the rest of the table know that this player is displaying his cards. The time will come where he will learn or you will get drawn in and lose in the long term.
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These are some of the silly tricks mentioned in live poker, especially if it is intended and repeated. The opponent may make you see his hand or one of the cards in order to intimidate you or in order to fold your hand, and there are also some cheating opponents who want to see your hand if they have the opportunity, In both cases, this is a mistake and cheating, not a strategy, and I have not heard of such a strategy or skill, and this behavior may result in a fight, so it is good to respect the rules and regulations of the game, and inform the dealer or administrator in the event of repeating or intending this immoral behavior, poker is a skill and Intelligence, not cheating. Winning would be nicer if it was in a legitimate way, and the most important thing is that we will not accept being cheated or having our money stolen.
These are some of the silly tricks mentioned in live poker, especially if it is intended and repeated. The opponent may make you see his hand or one of the cards in order to intimidate you or in order to fold your hand, and there are also some cheating opponents who want to see your hand if they have the opportunity, In both cases, this is a mistake and cheating, not a strategy, and I have not heard of such a strategy or skill, and this behavior may result in a fight, so it is good to respect the rules and regulations of the game, and inform the dealer or administrator in the event of repeating or intending this immoral behavior, poker is a skill and Intelligence, not cheating. Winning would be nicer if it was in a legitimate way, and the most important thing is that we will not accept being cheated or having our money stolen.
Ofcourse, I don't consider it cheating in any way, and I would always peek at his cards. A player may also have a whim of showing his cards openly to all the other players. It's his choice how he plays and whether he plays and whether he can protect his cards. Maybe he's doing it on purpose. Poker is not the art of love, it's a game where the better and smarter wins. If a player can't protect his cards, that's his problem. I don't see any form of cheating here, nor moral.
Fraud is when something is against the law. I don't know of any situation where someone committed a crime looking at someone with their eyes. 🤣
"We played honestly: you cheated, I cheated - the better one won" - Big Shar
Fraud is when something is against the law. I don't know of any situation where someone committed a crime looking at someone with their eyes. 🤣
"We played honestly: you cheated, I cheated - the better one won" - Big Shar
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I think this isn't a cheating, because I let him know that I can easily see the cards in his hand. If he just laughs at that and tells me to worry about my own game, he dares me with his rudeness to continue looking at his cards without any remorse. I also think it doesn't matter if it's a young or old player, what matters is his attitude.
in my opinion there are live tournaments the rules say that you cannot look or talk in the actions so as not to harm yourself or the opponents, I think looking at the other player's cards is a very dirty game better study the style of play and analyze the hands he has been opening constantly and eliminate him in the fairest way !!
It's cheating because knowing the opponent's cards you can eliminate chances or avoid bluffs, I hope I never see myself in that situation, since I shouldn't, but with big bets I can't guarantee that my sight won't stray. I would like to know if you have had the opportunity and what you have done
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A very awkward situation. If after the first warning the player has not changed his behavior, then I will inform the dealer about this. Since the game becomes not fair to other players at the table. And yes, knowing the cards of one opponent does not guarantee victory, but will only distract. I would probably change tables.
If I already told that person he/she should be careful about that issue and she/he doesn't care... There's nothing wrong to look and use that information to my advantage. However, it would be really something if I shoved before the river (knowing I have above 90% winning chances) villain called.. And he/she gets an out.
I am not sure if technically looking at his cards is cheating, however I don't think it is the ethical thing to do. I would let the player know of his error and hope he corrects himself , as well I would take every step I could to avoid looking at his cards.
To be honest I wouldn't take advantage of this advantage/seeing his books, because I think he is a simple player to read and you can tell by the gestures and expression of his face or his state of excitement when he has a good hand or not🙂, so I would not take advantage of his weakness🙂
I don't want to look at anyone's cards during the game. But if there's an idiot that keeps showing even after being warned, then I'm going to win that sucker's chips and make him leave the table soonTammy said:Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.
So what would you do in this situation?
The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?
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The answer for me is obvious and clear because it is a situation of ''taking undue advantage'', it is not because it is happening in poker, which is no longer a way of stealing/cheating. Just like in everyday situations I wouldn't take advantage of anyone because of their naivety or simply inflated ego, I wouldn't take advantage in this situation either. I'm playing because I feel like I can win, I would never have sat at the table hoping something like this would happen, for me to have a chance to win.Tammy said:Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.
So what would you do in this situation?
The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?
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After warning, he continued to demonstrate and by the aggressive way of his answer, he would look whenever he had an opportunity, it is cheating without a doubt, but he deserved it, and there is no saint playing that does not take advantage of some situations.
the bluff is in a way a cheat, but who doesn't
the bluff is in a way a cheat, but who doesn't
Well, that's an interesting scenario, and it's crucial to maintain integrity in the game of poker. First and foremost, I would never intentionally look at someone else's cards, even if they aren't protecting them well. It's against the spirit of fair play and respect for the game. Instead, I would continue to focus on my own game and my opponents' actions.Tammy said:Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.
So what would you do in this situation?
The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?
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If the player isn't receptive to my advice about protecting their cards, I might inform the floor or a tournament director, depending on the setting. Cheating has no place in poker, and it's important to maintain the integrity of the game we all love.
I'm not quite sure how I would act. On the one hand, I would feel uncomfortable having such an advantage from the sloppy, careless behavior of a player next to me and would point it out to him exactly as described.
On the other hand, his ungrateful response is a reason to react defiantly and take advantage for a while. Normally I would have left the table, which I would probably do after a while, because it wouldn't be a 'fair game' to the other players at the table.
I also don't think it's cheating if a player next to me "holds his cards under my nose" so that I can see them clearly while roaming the table. It's part of the game to protect your cards. I am also not aware of any such violation being recorded in the rules.
It's more of a 'good manners' (etiquette at the table) not to actively spot your opponent's cards. But that's not the case here either, especially not because you point it out to your neighbor and he doesn't think it's necessary to heed it.
It is one's own moral conduct how to deal with it, but not a form of cheating.
On the other hand, his ungrateful response is a reason to react defiantly and take advantage for a while. Normally I would have left the table, which I would probably do after a while, because it wouldn't be a 'fair game' to the other players at the table.
I also don't think it's cheating if a player next to me "holds his cards under my nose" so that I can see them clearly while roaming the table. It's part of the game to protect your cards. I am also not aware of any such violation being recorded in the rules.
It's more of a 'good manners' (etiquette at the table) not to actively spot your opponent's cards. But that's not the case here either, especially not because you point it out to your neighbor and he doesn't think it's necessary to heed it.
It is one's own moral conduct how to deal with it, but not a form of cheating.
If the young player continues to display a lack of concern for protecting his cards, I would inform a dealer or an authority figure at the establishment to address the issue and ensure fair play for all participants.
Cheating, by definition, involves intentionally gaining an unfair advantage over others. While looking at another player's cards may provide an advantage, doing so without their permission or knowledge would indeed be considered a form of cheating.
Cheating, by definition, involves intentionally gaining an unfair advantage over others. While looking at another player's cards may provide an advantage, doing so without their permission or knowledge would indeed be considered a form of cheating.
In the end I would stop playing or (change) the table. But let's start from beginning.Tammy said:
If you would find me at a cash table in a casino that would be a rarity (I played only once at a cash table in a casino). I'm more inclined to play cash game at someones home with friends where the atmosphere is more relaxed.
Since I play poker because I love the game the way that we communicated (he laughed at my comment and tells me to worry about my own game) it would make me uncomfortable. Since it would make me uncomfortable I wouldn't be in my best mental state for cash game anymore and I'm sure it would influence my game as well. Also, he isn't the only player at a table and I'm not playing only against him but other 4 or more players. If I see his cards I could calculate the outs (if I decide to play a hand) and that's probably it. But knowing myself I would try not to look at the direction of his cards. That change would influence my game and my mental state.
If I see him do it one or more times (it doesn't matter if I saw his cards or not) after we had a chat I would bring issue to a dealer and let him handle the player.
On the other hand I don't think it's a form of cheating. It would be kind of unethical (and I would try not to use it) but not a form of cheating. Anyway most casinos have the rule in place which is called "show one show all".
After all that said, I would change the table or call it a night because it influenced my mental state at the moment and it would most likely influence my game as well.
It's an ethical dilemma as it's not a fair situation to the table as a whole, but you're not cheating either.
I think the important part is notifying this player about his cards being open to you, and doing it in such a way that the other players and dealer knows it aswell. This way, if anything happens against the rules, it's the dealer/floor's responsibility to act and not yours and you fullfilled your ethic 'duty'.
Let's polarize the situation a bit for a better understanding, the player knows he's showing cards and doesn't care. Is this unfair? What if he actively holds his cards in front of your face and waves them around for you to see? Should you look away? Should you step out of every hand he does it in? It's basicly the same as showing his cards in your peripheral vision, he knowingly does it and he himself compromises his hand in your view, it's free information given to you. Players are allowed to lay their cards open during the hand at any time aswell, you're just lucky to be in a position to be able to see them while the rest is not.
What makes it that it's your responsibility to ensure a fair game for everyone else? Isn't it their own responsibility to either keep the seat and play or change tables? This isn't your responsibility, fair play is is ensured by the floor.
Every live pokerplayer is looking for information on their opponents cards. What if you know specific tells on a player when he has AA or KK? You don't share that information with anyone either, obviously. So why should you share or avoid this when villain does it knowingly?
So basicly, unless there is a specific rule on that specific table that forbids you peeking around, you aren't cheating and it's the floors responsibility to act if they seem fit. And you should use the information given for free.
So yes, after notifying everyone, I would look and use it.
I think the important part is notifying this player about his cards being open to you, and doing it in such a way that the other players and dealer knows it aswell. This way, if anything happens against the rules, it's the dealer/floor's responsibility to act and not yours and you fullfilled your ethic 'duty'.
Let's polarize the situation a bit for a better understanding, the player knows he's showing cards and doesn't care. Is this unfair? What if he actively holds his cards in front of your face and waves them around for you to see? Should you look away? Should you step out of every hand he does it in? It's basicly the same as showing his cards in your peripheral vision, he knowingly does it and he himself compromises his hand in your view, it's free information given to you. Players are allowed to lay their cards open during the hand at any time aswell, you're just lucky to be in a position to be able to see them while the rest is not.
What makes it that it's your responsibility to ensure a fair game for everyone else? Isn't it their own responsibility to either keep the seat and play or change tables? This isn't your responsibility, fair play is is ensured by the floor.
Every live pokerplayer is looking for information on their opponents cards. What if you know specific tells on a player when he has AA or KK? You don't share that information with anyone either, obviously. So why should you share or avoid this when villain does it knowingly?
So basicly, unless there is a specific rule on that specific table that forbids you peeking around, you aren't cheating and it's the floors responsibility to act if they seem fit. And you should use the information given for free.
So yes, after notifying everyone, I would look and use it.
Tammy said:Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.
So what would you do in this situation?
The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?
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This is an Interesting Dilemma, on the one hand, part of playing Poker is to cheat other players with some cunning Bluffs now and again, but with morals coming into play I would find it difficult to cheat by knowing what cards my opponent was playing from the get go, Certainly I would advise another player that his hand was visible to not only myself but also other players at the table, and if he was belligerent about me being concerned, then he deserves to lose.
I would certainly use the information to beat this one player, but to actively look at every hand trying to get that info would be too dishonest, I think if I was not involved in the pot and had already warned him once I would keep my mouth shut, but having already warned him if I caught sight of his cards and knew what he was bluffing with I would certainly call if I knew I had him beat, Raising would not gain anything more from him unless he was really stupid enough to shove all-in.
As protecting your hand is your own responsibility I feel I would be right to warn him once, but if he persisted to ignore that warning, then that's his problem and he deserves to lose.
I wouldn't purposely make an effort to look - but I have been in situations where the player is so bad with it that I still see the cards once in a while. I usually remind them multiple times in that situation. It would be rare that the player does not care. It is usually inexperienced players who do this.
If someone was blatant about it I would mention it to the entire table and the dealer because I would not want to be accused of collusion.
I would only consider it cheating if you purposely make and effort to see the cards.
If someone was blatant about it I would mention it to the entire table and the dealer because I would not want to be accused of collusion.
I would only consider it cheating if you purposely make and effort to see the cards.
that is a good question. i am assuming that the players to his right and his left have the same advantage. if he is warned to cover his cards and does not , i would say its fair game , just as if he turns his cards over before the hand is completed, what do you do? not look??
