***Decimation December Chat Thread***

[LuckyChippy]

whats your reasoning for shoving turn in hand 1?

Hmmm i've been thinking about this alot and the turn shove was basically because the bet/call then check line sucks so much i'm basically giving him the green light to shove 100% of his range as i'm basically saying I don't have a clue what to do. I didn't want to give up on the flop to a single min raise then on the turn I just thought i'd rather shove and him call with KQ than check/fold.

UTG i'm thinking he has 77+ (I think that's standard) AJ/AQ+ (I play AJ but that's me and he had similar stats I think) but I don't really put KQ in there. AA/KK/AK are very unlikely because of the bet/call pre. His min raise looked fishy and looked like he was saying he had the same hand as me, it might be good but not sure. When he called I was suprised I had the best hand. Basically I didn't want to check as it put me in an even worse spot, If he had something stupid like KJ/K10 he MIGHT fold but it was unlikely.

I just thought shoving was better than checking

EDIT: Feel free to say how stupid this is

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Thats actually a pretty big problem. What happens when your spell at 2knl ends badly? You might end up at 5knl table and it just gets worse.

he plays limit, not nl.

 

[Marginal]

Well if he is shoving 100% of his range, you would want to check it to him. By shoving, you lose a lot of value from the hands you beat.

 

[LuckyChippy]

If I check and he shoves i'm very likely to fold though.

 

[WVHillbilly]

If I check and he shoves i'm very likely to fold though.

Do you think you're bluffing by shoving? In other words do you think you ever make him fold better?

 

[LuckyChippy]

NapkinPlayer: ur a horible player lol
Dealer: H-Chris1988 wins the pot ($0.37)
Dealer: Hand #16550701889
Gone Goose: ty
Dealer: anth26tony has 5 seconds left to act
NapkinPlayer: seriously, i have never seen a hand worsely played
Gone Goose: ty
NapkinPlayer: i'm gonna post it to be publicly mocked
Dealer: BlupidStack_ppl has 15 seconds left to act
Gone Goose: ty
Dealer: H-Chris1988 wins the pot ($4.37)
Dealer: Hand #16550716540
NapkinPlayer: yw

 

[LuckyChippy]

Do you think you're bluffing by shoving? In other words do you think you ever make him fold better?

Unlikely I guess, MAYBE KJ if i'm super lucky. I just didn't like checking, like I said i'd rather shove and he turn over KQ than check fold.

 

[WVHillbilly]

He's never folding K2 when you shove and if you're willing to shove (presumably for value) why are you unwilling to call? Certainly his bluff shoving range is greater than his calling range that you beat. So let him bluff and call it off assuming you believe he'll bet the turn with worse. This also gives you the chance to get a bet in on the river when he checks behind on the turn and are MUCH more likely to be called by a hand that you beat.

 

[LuckyChippy]

He's never folding K2 when you shove and if you're willing to shove (presumably for value) why are you unwilling to call? Certainly his bluff shoving range is greater than his calling range that you beat. So let him bluff and call it off assuming you believe he'll bet the turn with worse. This also gives you the chance to get a bet in on the river when he checks behind on the turn and are MUCH more likely to be called by a hand that you beat.

Your right, I guess I just thought it was easier to shove than call. Yes I am that bad.

 

[WVHillbilly]

It just makes it easier for him to fold worse. You don't want to make it easier for your opponents to avoid mistakes.

In this case he was apparently (you didn't post what he had) bad enough to call it off with worse anyway and if you had answered switch saying that you had seen him call shoves with UI pocket 2s on AKQ boards or whatever I wouldn't have questioned the shove.

Just learn to take those extra few seconds to figure out why you're taking a particular action and you'll see your results improve.

 

[Jurn8]

if you're willing to shove (presumably for value) why are you unwilling to call?

i thought this also

 

[switch0723]

ye basically lucky, you called the flop raise because you thought he was raising worse hand and complete air, by shoving the turn you give these hands a chance to fold and generally only keep in hands better than yours, by checking, you are calling 100% of the shoves since nothing has changed frm the flop, but you allow him to shove random air that he has

 

[cAPSLOCK]

i assume you're not properly bankrolled for 10/20, right ?

Oh my... it does add up to that doesn't it? I suppose I take my advice back to "keep it up" though it was a nice result. That is one of the most dangerous forms of tilt. It is basically a obfuscated martingale.

 

[LuckyChippy]

ye basically lucky, you called the flop raise because you thought he was raising worse hand and complete air, by shoving the turn you give these hands a chance to fold and generally only keep in hands better than yours, by checking, you are calling 100% of the shoves since nothing has changed frm the flop, but you allow him to shove random air that he has

Thanks, that's the simplest explanation i've heard and it makes alot of sense.

Thanks WV, i'll try and think it through more next time and for drilling it into me , he called with 88, which is possibly the only type of hand he would call with that I beat lol.

 

[LuckyChippy]

That log in glitch just happened to me and I logged in as d'willius, I could see the admin section but it wouldn't let me in, damn.

 

[Marginal]

Stuck playing a bunch of super turbo on FTP to try and clear this bonus. So tilting.

 

[Johnnybmoto]

Thats actually a pretty big problem. What happens when your spell at 2knl ends badly? You might end up at 5knl table and it just gets worse.

I play Limit, no way in hell I would play that high NL no matter how pissed off I was.

 

[Jagsti]

Thoughts on whether to play step 5 with my ticket on stars or use it to enter the $700 qualifier with 20 gtd packages for the PCA?

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Thoughts on whether to play step 5 with my ticket on stars or use it to enter the $700 qualifier with 20 gtd packages for the PCA?

steps 5 and 6 are not necessarily as shark infested as people say. busto_soon is registered in steps at both levels right now. His sharkscope below...

 

[Jagsti]

steps 5 and 6 are not necessarily as shark infested as people say. busto_soon is registered in steps are both levels right now. His sharkscope below...

Funnily enough, I watched him in a step 6 before, which he won. His graph is a train wreck though. Hmm dunno though gonna give it some thought. The step 6 is 3000 chips starting stacks which is good, but it's pretty much all or nothing in the prize pool. No parachute.

 

[tenbob]

Losing $150K playing poker is pretty degen.

I however am very pissed off with my game, need to do something to stop being a breakeven player. TBH if i wasnt clearing what im making on the live games per month id quit.

Anywhoooo tomorrow is a $300 DS freezout, 70 mile drive is putting me off, 70 fishes is turning me on.

 

[Johnnybmoto]

Did I play this ok?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($59.05)
UTG+1 ($56.25)
MP1 ($56.95)
MP2 ($53.60)
CO ($47.05)
Button ($80.55)
Hero (SB) ($111.20)
BB ($50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, K

2 folds, MP1 bets $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $15.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $9.50

Flop: ($33) J

, 6

, Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

Turn: ($33) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $20, MP1 raises to $41.45 (All-In), Hero calls $21.45

River: ($115.90) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $115.90 | Rake: $3

Results below:
Hero had K

, K

(two pair, Kings and Queens).
MP1 had A

, K

(one pair, Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $112.90

 

[WVHillbilly]

Why did you flat the 4bet preflop?

 

[switch0723]

f Roy Nelson

 

[PattyR]

f Roy Nelson

dude that guy is a real man...fatass ...and hilarious.."imma go get some burger king" ..lmao!!