* January's Juxtaposed Pokahz Chat *

eNTy · Jan 6, 2009

The Shrog said:
Wasn't there someone that was going to write a strategy to the DoN's a couple months ago?

It's pretty straightforward and easy

becomingpoker · Jan 6, 2009

becomingpoker said:
just started a session and 3rd hand in KK<AA. At least it was against a 50bb stack.

Nevermind this, ended the session up 3 BI's after about 750 hands. Pokahs is fun sometimes!

vanquish · Jan 6, 2009

The Shrog said:
Stats?

no reads no stats

vanquish · Jan 6, 2009

-8 BI session at full ring SHIP SHIP

Chris_TC · Jan 6, 2009

vanquish said:
-8 BI session at full ring SHIP SHIP

That's crazy man. Not sure if you already do this, but to reduce variance I wouldn't play too deep. When I move up aggressively, I generally don't play deeper than 150BB and will leave the table if both I and someone else is this deep. Not sure how unethical it is but it dampens the swings.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 6, 2009

Could you guys go look at [100nl FR] QQ vs. beluga raise on KT88 flushy board in HA section? I think it's an interesting spot.

blankoblanco · Jan 6, 2009

eNTy said:
It's pretty straightforward and easy

idk, 95% of players play double-or-nothings really suboptimally. even most of the winning regs do stuff that is just bad. basically if it comes to calling for your whole stack, you have to be comparing your equity to the perceived chance that someone else will go out before you, while also realizing that doubling up still isn't a guarantee to cash

when there's a tiny tiny short stack on the bubble, it's obvious. when there are a bunch of stacks similar to yours, it's not as obvious. even without an obviously short stack on the bubble, there are tons of situations where QQ and KK are super easy folds to shoves because your equity will be 70% at best and with 3 other stacks = to you, your chances of someone going out before you is > 70%, especially when you consider that most people won't play correctly. but almost nobody makes the correct folds in these spots, except for me ldo

knowing when to push yourself in these situations is more complicated because you have to have an idea how "good" your opponents are at the structure in order to estimate their calling ranges

i ain't writin no guide for that shiz though

vanquish · Jan 6, 2009

Chris_TC said:
That's crazy man. Not sure if you already do this, but to reduce variance I wouldn't play too deep. When I move up aggressively, I generally don't play deeper than 150BB and will leave the table if both I and someone else is this deep. Not sure how unethical it is but it dampens the swings.

yea but i dont really mind the swings because i'm pretty rolled for my limit now (30 buy ins approx) and there are a lot of hugely +EV spots that i find when i'm playing really deep. my game is prone to high variance but i find that i like my full ring game so it doesn't really bother me too much. like a -10 buy in day is somewhat standard for me at least once every two weeks if i'm playing a dece amount, it's just that some things aren't really going my way at the moment (standard spots, etc). the way i look at it i can expect a lot of sklansky bux from playing a session because my expectation against my opponents is so high, so i dont really give a care one way or the other about the results unless i start tilting or playing bad (which doesnt really happen much nowadays that i'm playing lower than i used to). although those really good winning days are always nice sometimes

Dorkus Malorkus · Jan 6, 2009

switch0723 said:
Yo chris, work on your HU game imo, if you had won more than you finished second, youd be swimming in monies

yeah i need to work on winning 60/40s, 50/50s and 40/60s when HU

Chris_TC · Jan 6, 2009

vanquish said:
yea but i dont really mind the swings because i'm pretty rolled for my limit now (30 buy ins approx) and there are a lot of hugely +EV spots that i find when i'm playing really deep.

Right, if you're properly rolled then playing deep is awesome.

Jagsti · Jan 6, 2009

Anyone like a shove here or is that just total f'kin bonkers? BTW villain has been 3 betting my steals a ton, and hes a reg at 19/16/3.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $400 (200 bb)
MP: $135.25 (67.6 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $448.35 (224.2 bb)
SB: $382.05 (191 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K

7

3 folds, Hero raises to $7, SB raises to $24, BB folds, Hero calls $17

Flop: ($50) 8

2

K

(2 players)
SB bets $33, Hero calls $33

Turn: ($116) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $80, SB calls $80

River: ($276) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero?

The Shrog · Jan 6, 2009

Texxxxxxxxxxtbook.

Stacks:
fredixou with $2.20
BTN with $9.35
SB with $9.60
BB with $11.55
UTG with $29.55
UTG+1 with $13.45
MP1 with $11.05
MP2 with $2.15

Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to MP1:3♠ 3♦
Sklansky group 7
Preflop:
1 players fold.
UTG+1 calls [$0.10] Hero calls [$0.10]
2 players fold.
BTN calls [$0.10]
1 players fold.
BB raises $0.50 to $0.60
UTG+1 calls [$0.50] Hero calls [$0.50] BTN calls [$0.50]
Total folds this street: 4
Potsize: $2.45
Flop: 2♠ 6♠ 3♣
BB bets [$2]
1 players fold.
Hero raises $3 to $5
1 players fold.
BB raises $5.95 to $10.95 [ all-in ] Hero calls [$5.45] [ all-in ]
Uncalled bet ($0.50) returned to BB
Total folds this street: 2
Potsize: $23.85
Turn: 5♦
Potsize: $23.85
River: 8♣
Results:
BB shows high card Ace: A♠ J♠
Hero shows three of a kind, Threes: 3♠ 3♦ Hero collected $22.20 from pot

Jagsti · Jan 6, 2009

Shrog nh m8.

If you can though try and use this hand converter

Unfortunately CC's converter is really difficult to read.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 6, 2009

Jagsti said:
Anyone like a shove here or is that just total f'kin bonkers? BTW villain has been 3 betting my steals a ton, and hes a reg at 19/16/3.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $400 (200 bb)
MP: $135.25 (67.6 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $448.35 (224.2 bb)
SB: $382.05 (191 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K

7

3 folds, Hero raises to $7, SB raises to $24, BB folds, Hero calls $17

Flop: ($50) 8

2

K

(2 players)
SB bets $33, Hero calls $33

Turn: ($116) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $80, SB calls $80

River: ($276) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero?

these should really go in their own thread in the HA forum...

Jagsti · Jan 6, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
these should really go in their own thread in the HA forum...

Tut! Ok then spoil sport :bootyshak

eNTy · Jan 6, 2009

combuboom said:
'What he said fo shizzle'

I know but that's what I like.
The buble play, the knowing when to shove, knowing when to lay it down. Stealing at the right times. It's just that at the stakes the shrog would be playing play isn't all that great

.

switch0723 · Jan 6, 2009

Dorkus Malorkus said:
yeah i need to work on winning 60/40s, 50/50s and 40/60s when HU

at least you know where your going wrong

plo equities are going to make my head asplode i swear

eNTy · Jan 6, 2009

he's like 22/25/5 fwiw

Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (25/50 blinds, 5 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: 29.2 bb
UTG+1: 26.5 bb
BTN: 32 bb
SB: 27 bb
BB: 36.8 bb
MP1: 21.8 bb
Hero (MP2): 32.5 bb
MP3: 74.5 bb
CO: 19.7 bb

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with 3

3

MP1 folds, Hero calls 1 bb, 2 folds, UTG calls 1 bb, UTG+1 folds, BTN calls 1 bb, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: (5.4 bb) 2

6

3

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1 bb, UTG folds, BTN folds, BB raises to 6 bb, Hero calls 5 bb

Turn: (17.4 bb) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (17.4 bb) 9

(2 players)
BB bets 13 bb, Hero raises to 25.4 bb and is all-in, BB calls 12.4 bb

Results: 68.2 bb pot
Hero showed 3

3

(three of a kind, Threes) and lost (-32.5 bb net)
BB showed 5

4

(a straight, Two to Six) and won 68.2 bb (35.7 bb net)

Now I just need to win the other 7 out of the 8 total

S93 · Jan 6, 2009

One of the first hands of the seasions.
Got a table with two deep super fish

.

SB: 429 bb
BB: 215.8 bb
Hero (BTN): 113.4 bb

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K

J

Hero raises to 4 bb, SB folds, BB calls 3 bb

Flop: (8.4 bb) 2

Q

9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (8.4 bb) T

(2 players)
BB bets 8 bb, Hero raises to 28 bb, BB raises to 211.8 bb and is all-in, Hero calls 81.4 bb and is all-in

River: (227.2 bb) 4

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 227.2 bb pot (11 bb rake)
BB showed J

8

(a straight, Eight to Queen) and lost (-113.4 bb net)
Hero showed K

J

(a straight, Nine to King) and won 216.2 bb (102.8 bb net)

switch0723 · Jan 6, 2009

at least you horrifically butchered the hand ents

for real, you played every street bad

bob_tiger · Jan 6, 2009

sindri_93 said:
One of the first hands of the seasions.
Got a table with two deep super fish .

SB: 429 bb
BB: 215.8 bb
Hero (BTN): 113.4 bb

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K

J

Hero raises to 4 bb, SB folds, BB calls 3 bb

Flop: (8.4 bb) 2

Q

9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (8.4 bb) T

(2 players)
BB bets 8 bb, Hero raises to 28 bb, BB raises to 211.8 bb and is all-in, Hero calls 81.4 bb and is all-in

River: (227.2 bb) 4

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 227.2 bb pot (11 bb rake)
BB showed J

8

(a straight, Eight to Queen) and lost (-113.4 bb net)
Hero showed K

J

(a straight, Nine to King) and won 216.2 bb (102.8 bb net)

Must be nice

Jagsti · Jan 6, 2009

I seriously need to reduce my WTSD %. 30% cannot be optimal for a 20/18 player can it?

vanquish · Jan 6, 2009

eNTy said:
he's like 22/25/5 fwiw

Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (25/50 blinds, 5 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: 29.2 bb
UTG+1: 26.5 bb
BTN: 32 bb
SB: 27 bb
BB: 36.8 bb
MP1: 21.8 bb
Hero (MP2): 32.5 bb
MP3: 74.5 bb
CO: 19.7 bb

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with 3

3

MP1 folds, Hero calls 1 bb, 2 folds, UTG calls 1 bb, UTG+1 folds, BTN calls 1 bb, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: (5.4 bb) 2

6

3

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1 bb, UTG folds, BTN folds, BB raises to 6 bb, Hero calls 5 bb

Turn: (17.4 bb) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (17.4 bb) 9

(2 players)
BB bets 13 bb, Hero raises to 25.4 bb and is all-in, BB calls 12.4 bb

Results: 68.2 bb pot
Hero showed 3

3

(three of a kind, Threes) and lost (-32.5 bb net)
BB showed 5

4

(a straight, Two to Six) and won 68.2 bb (35.7 bb net)

Now I just need to win the other 7 out of the 8 total

i give this a thumbs down on every street

eNTy · Jan 6, 2009

switch0723 said:
at least you horrifically butchered the hand ents

for real, you played every street bad

Yeh I know. I always play flopped sets bad.

Finished my 100th DON just now. Thanks to the last 30 or so my winrate plummeted from 60-58% to 51% as I'm 51/100.

blah.

From 220 and on are the DONs. I made $40 over 100 tournys woot !

BelgoSuisse · Jan 6, 2009

That's almost exactly how my sharkscope looked like just before i decided to switch to ring games...

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