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Irexes · Jan 6, 2009

Managed the trick of starting badly and finishing well rather than the other way round

And >2000 hands every day this year so far

now I just need to get in profit..

kleitches · Jan 6, 2009

God I want to play so bad but I have to do this stupid personal essay. Last 2 days, 0 hands.

Chris_TC · Jan 6, 2009

Jagsti said:
Anyone like a shove here or is that just total f'kin bonkers? BTW villain has been 3 betting my steals a ton, and hes a reg at 19/16/3.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $400 (200 bb)
MP: $135.25 (67.6 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $448.35 (224.2 bb)
SB: $382.05 (191 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K

7

3 folds, Hero raises to $7, SB raises to $24, BB folds, Hero calls $17

Flop: ($50) 8

2

K

(2 players)
SB bets $33, Hero calls $33

Turn: ($116) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $80, SB calls $80

River: ($276) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero?

Why do you bet the turn? It's reasonable to assume you have the best hand a lot, so no need to turn it into a bluff. When he calls the turn bet you're obviously toast so the question is how often he shoves to a fold. He usually has a King which he'll fold a decent amount.

However, I think overall it's unnecessarily spewy and fighting for pots that don't need to be won. If you want to fight back with K7s you should 4-bet him preflop. Stack sizes are perfect, you'll put him to a really tough decision and get him to give up the vast majority of hands.

Chris_TC · Jan 6, 2009

Ooohh, I forgot. I played some $5/$10. My last (first) 2,600 hands had cost me eight stacks several months ago, the beginning of an epic downswing.
But I've made the first three back today and I'm on a healthy roll. Retaliation time suckahs!

vanquish · Jan 6, 2009

Chris_TC said:
Ooohh, I forgot. I played some $5/$10. My last (first) 2,600 hands had cost me eight stacks several months ago, the beginning of an epic downswing.
But I've made the first three back today and I'm on a healthy roll. Retaliation time suckahs!

what's your roll at? jesus dude you've prob made the most money of anyone at CC i don't know how you do it

kleitches · Jan 6, 2009

vanquish said:
what's your roll at? jesus dude you've prob made the most money of anyone at CC i don't know how you do it

Wrong. You must not know how bad I'm crushing 5nl.

Jurn8 · Jan 6, 2009

Im bored just chilling on photoshop, look what I made.

Its not as good as I wanted it to be though

Makwa · Jan 6, 2009

Smokin HL stud ring ROI 50% MULTI CEREUS 10/100 BB PBS support send PM here

switch0723 · Jan 6, 2009

Chris_TC said:
Ooohh, I forgot. I played some $5/$10. My last (first) 2,600 hands had cost me eight stacks several months ago, the beginning of an epic downswing.
But I've made the first three back today and I'm on a healthy roll. Retaliation time suckahs!

feck right off, how do you manage to move up so quickly through limits. Forget about the money, I hope 1 day i can bring myself together to play as much as you at any stakes

BelgoSuisse · Jan 7, 2009

Chris_TC said:
Ooohh, I forgot. I played some $5/$10. My last (first) 2,600 hands had cost me eight stacks several months ago, the beginning of an epic downswing.
But I've made the first three back today and I'm on a healthy roll. Retaliation time suckahs!

way to go! What kind of BRM rules do you use while moving up this time? You're amazingly fast at that.

Also, are we gonna get 1000nl threads from you in the HA forums? That would be so sexy.

vanquish · Jan 7, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
way to go! What kind of BRM rules do you use while moving up this time? You're amazingly fast at that.

Also, are we gonna get 1000nl threads from you in the HA forums? vanq is so sexy.

FYP fawker

BelgoSuisse · Jan 7, 2009

vanquish said:
vanq is so drunk

fyp too

vanquish · Jan 7, 2009

IM GO PAS OUT AORN

Chris_TC · Jan 7, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
way to go! What kind of BRM rules do you use while moving up this time? You're amazingly fast at that.

Also, are we gonna get 1000nl threads from you in the HA forums? That would be so sexy.

Well, the quick moving up (or rather the slow moving down) is also what's broken my neck twice so I made sure to be more disciplined this time. As mentioned before, I never played deeper than 150BB, and I would begin with an 11/8 rule, meaning I'd move up with 11 buy-ins and move down with 8. I actually respected the moving down rule this time, as much as it sucks.

As the limits got higher, I adjusted those rules, for moving to $2/$4 I used a 15/11 rule, and for $5/$10 I'm using an 18/14 rule. Now my hope is that I can cement my roll and not have to be worried about moving down. I'm not going to move up any further, so hopefully I'll end up overrolled for 1K and stay there.

I might post some HA if something nasty comes up. Ran pretty good yesterday, so don't have any difficult spots yet.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 7, 2009

Chris_TC said:
I would begin with an 11/8 rule

Wow, i'm such a BR nit. Moved up to 100nl with a 35/30 rule... Of course it's largely due to the fact i'm still a noob in many aspects and have no clue if i'm +EV at the next level, so i need to be confident of that before moving up. Might use a more aggressive approach if I had to rebuild.

Still, I really admire your ability to handle the swings that must come with such a BRM plan. Must be soul crushing some times.

vanquish · Jan 7, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
Wow, i'm such a BR nit. Moved up to 100nl with a 35/30 rule...

[ ] nit

plus ain't ya like 35 years old? thats LAG for someone old

switch0723 · Jan 7, 2009

vanquish said:
[ ] nit

plus ain't ya like 35 years old? thats LAG for someone old

what he said

35/30 brm isn't nitty at all, especially to someone like bw who uses 123452234/123451245

BelgoSuisse · Jan 7, 2009

vanquish said:
plus ain't ya like 35 years old? thats LAG for someone old

I am indeed. :icon_bigs

But it does feel nitty to grind my way up to 100nl from 0 while I could easily afford to deposit a 100nl roll to begin with. Of course if I had done that i would have lost it all really fast because i sucked at the pokerz.

Jurn8 · Jan 7, 2009

Today is poker study day, I am currently playing 10NL FR anybody know any good sites/journals/material which I can check out. Also any specific areas which you would suggest I should study.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 7, 2009

Jurn8 said:
Today is poker study day, I am currently playing 10NL FR anybody know any good sites/journals/material which I can check out. Also any specific areas which you would suggest I should study.

you use PT or HEM, right?

Filter your hands by type, like small pocket pairs, suited connectors, off suit connectors, suited one gapers, big pairs, AK, big aces, ... and if you have enough hands, filter those by position.

Apart maybe from off suit connectors, suited one gapers, all these categories should be good money makers. If not, go through your hand histories to figure out why. What is your game plan with those, do you respect it or spew, is it a good plan, ...

Jurn8 · Jan 7, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
you use PT or HEM, right?

Filter your hands by type, like small pocket pairs, suited connectors, off suit connectors, suited one gapers, big pairs, AK, big aces, ... and if you have enough hands, filter those by position.

Apart maybe from off suit connectors, suited one gapers, all these categories should be good money makers. If not, go through your hand histories to figure out why. What is your game plan with those, do you respect it or spew, is it a good plan, ...

I Have just done this belgo, I am winning 48% of the time with suited connectors, pairs and big aces AK - AJo. However looks like I am a big loser with AKo and a minor loser with Aks. Also I am a fairly big loser with JJ. I am going to post a screenshot to show. Maybe you could plug a leak by looking at them.

Jurn8 · Jan 7, 2009

PT3 Stats

c9h13no3 · Jan 7, 2009

Jurn8 said:
Today is poker study day, I am currently playing 10NL FR anybody know any good sites/journals/material which I can check out. Also any specific areas which you would suggest I should study.

Study thin value betting. At 10$NL, fish love to call, and you should be learning the ways that you can exploit this as hard as you can go.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 7, 2009

Jurn8 said:
I Have just done this belgo, I am winning 48% of the time with suited connectors, pairs and big aces AK - AJo. However looks like I am a big loser with AKo and a minor loser with Aks. Also I am a fairly big loser with JJ. I am going to post a screenshot to show. Maybe you could plug a leak by looking at them.

small sample sizes still.

Still, the AK part is a bit weird. It's usually in the top 5 or top 10 money makers. There are so many ways to play AK wrong it's hard to spot what's wrong. Only you can go through your HHs.

BTW, when you look at hand histories to plug leaks, don't just focus on the big pots you lost. Also look at the medium pots you won and try to figure out whether you lost value because those could easily have been big pots instead of medium ones.

Edit: which is another to say what c9 said, consider thin value betting.

Jurn8 · Jan 7, 2009

Ok thanks guys, will read up on this and also read up some ways to play AK if anybody has any good material let me know via a PM.
Jake

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