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switch0723 · Jan 13, 2009

wait what, your trying to say dutch =/= belgian?

eNTy · Jan 13, 2009

switch0723 said:
wait what, your trying to say dutch =/= belgian?

Of course dutchies are not belgians. They lack our natural coolness and are historically classified as retard farmers.

Chris_TC · Jan 13, 2009

Guys, is it possible to make the black background behind the stats in the HEM overlay transparent. I know you can make everthing transparent, but would like the numbers to be opaque and have the background shine through. Possible?

Also, what stats do you folks use in your overlay? I have:
VPIP/PFR/3-bet/Fold to 3-bet
Squeeze%/Steal%/Fold BB to Steal
Aggr. Postflop/C-bet/Fold to C-bet/Raise C-bet
Bet vs. missed CB out of position/2-barrel/Fold to 2-barrel/WTS

Anything cool I've overlooked?

Irexes · Jan 13, 2009

Out of position overset mining..

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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (SB): $359.20 (359.2 bb)
BB: $188.95 (189 bb)
UTG: $100 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $70.70 (70.7 bb)
MP1: $100 (100 bb)
MP2: $100 (100 bb)
MP3: $103.85 (103.9 bb)
CO: $122.10 (122.1 bb)
BTN: $308.10 (308.1 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Q

Q

2 folds, MP1 raises to $4, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, BB folds
Flop: ($13) 8

Q

2

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $8, MP3 folds, Hero calls $8
Turn: ($29) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $18, MP1 calls $18
River: ($65) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $33, MP1 raises to $70 and is all-in, Hero calls $37
Results: $205 pot ($3 rake)
MP1 showed 2

2

(three of a kind, Twos) and lost (-$100 net)
Hero showed Q

Q

(three of a kind, Queens) and won $202 ($102 net)

I've got massive history with this guy with us both stacking light versus the other in monster pots, so possibly not as stupid as initially appears... possibly... ok stupid... but weeeeee result oriented

eNTy · Jan 13, 2009

Irexes said:
I've got massive history with this guy with us both stacking light versus the other in monster pots, so possibly not as stupid as initially appears... possibly... ok stupid... but weeeeee result oriented

Set > set is standard, no ? Or are you talking about preflop play when you say stupid ?

Also SWEET 450bb stack !

Irexes · Jan 13, 2009

Well it's pretty hard to see what I'm representing on the turn other than a set. Gave myself a pretty good chance to not stack him imo

Though he probably folds to a 3 bet pre, so meh.

ChuckTs · Jan 13, 2009

Chris_TC said:
Guys, is it possible to make the black background behind the stats in the HEM overlay transparent. I know you can make everthing transparent, but would like the numbers to be opaque and have the background shine through. Possible?

Also, what stats do you folks use in your overlay? I have:
VPIP/PFR/3-bet/Fold to 3-bet
Squeeze%/Steal%/Fold BB to Steal
Aggr. Postflop/C-bet/Fold to C-bet/Raise C-bet
Bet vs. missed CB out of position/2-barrel/Fold to 2-barrel/WTS

Anything cool I've overlooked?

You basically have what I have except a few stats added that you can find in the hud. I'm prob taking out ats because I always check the positional prf stats anyways.

One stat you don't have is limp-call % which is extremely helpful against fish for isolation situations. That + fold to flop/turn/river + wtsd is like a straight formula for deciding whether or not to isolate and/or barrel them.

HEM question: go to HUD options menu>Player Prefs>top right it has a dropdown for background colour, choose transparent.

switch0723 · Jan 13, 2009

Irexes said:
Out of position overset mining..

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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (SB): $359.20 (359.2 bb)
BB: $188.95 (189 bb)
UTG: $100 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $70.70 (70.7 bb)
MP1: $100 (100 bb)
MP2: $100 (100 bb)
MP3: $103.85 (103.9 bb)
CO: $122.10 (122.1 bb)
BTN: $308.10 (308.1 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Q

Q

2 folds, MP1 raises to $4, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, BB folds
Flop: ($13) 8

Q

2

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $8, MP3 folds, Hero calls $8
Turn: ($29) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $18, MP1 calls $18
River: ($65) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $33, MP1 raises to $70 and is all-in, Hero calls $37
Results: $205 pot ($3 rake)
MP1 showed 2

2

(three of a kind, Twos) and lost (-$100 net)
Hero showed Q

Q

(three of a kind, Queens) and won $202 ($102 net)

I've got massive history with this guy with us both stacking light versus the other in monster pots, so possibly not as stupid as initially appears... possibly... ok stupid... but weeeeee result oriented

i've never seen much point in the c/c then lead turn line with a monster hand, since your hugely reduce your chances of getting stacks in, if your going to lead you may aswell raise flop, i've just always thought that. The only time i like the c/c lead is with occasional draws or when you have the flop massively crippled where you aren't going to get action from any made hands by c/r flop

Irexes · Jan 13, 2009

I check-call bet a lot against habitual cbetters who won't respect the donk bet much as a way of reversing position on certain boards and taking pots with air. It's a reverse-float or as FP and I discussed one day, the sinker. Not a super move, but it confuses people. Possibly why I got away with it here.

Only reason I led the turn (and hard) was in the vague hope he had AA/KK and would pay a decent bet and possibly another on the river based on previous history. Didn't have high hopes as I did it.

Chris_TC · Jan 13, 2009

ChuckTs said:
One stat you don't have is limp-call % which is extremely helpful against fish for isolation situations. That + fold to flop/turn/river + wtsd is like a straight formula for deciding whether or not to isolate and/or barrel them.

But don't you also need a limp% to compare to limp-call%? Limp-call% by itself doesn't really tell us much, does it?

HEM question: go to HUD options menu>Player Prefs>top right it has a dropdown for background colour, choose transparent.

Thanks!

ChuckTs · Jan 13, 2009

LC % represents the % of the time that the player calls after limping, so ya it can be used by itself.

Writing a stats strategy post right now.

Jurn8 · Jan 13, 2009

ChuckTs said:
LC % represents the % of the time that the player calls after limping, so ya it can be used by itself.

Writing a stats strategy post right now.

sweet thats just what I need, I can read that for some study this week lol, does it include all player types and what stats they would have and maybe how to exploit them lol

ph_il · Jan 13, 2009

Why can't get a single win in an MTT? It's starting to depress me a lot.

I'm also starting to second guess myself. I used to think I had an ok/decent understanding of the game but I don't know anymore.

Tygran · Jan 13, 2009

Who taught the Fish the "godmode" cheat code tonight??

comeon, fess up

c9h13no3 · Jan 13, 2009

Tygran said:
Who taught the Fish the "godmode" cheat code tonight??

comeon, fess up

IDDQD OMFG THE SEKRETS OUT!

icemonkey9 · Jan 14, 2009

I decided to make a move in my game last week. Looking at my stats I ran twice as well (in terms of winrate) at fullring than I did at 6max with about the same sample size of hands. So I moved up to 100nl and played fullring and I really feel my 6max experience was absolutely a valuable tool about becoming a better TAG player and not a TAGfish like I can spot now at the tables.

The move has gone well as I am handling the bet sizes and appropriate spots correctly, have been making solid reads, and exploiting the fish at the tables while doing my best to handle the regs that seem to know vaguely what they are doing (although some seem to cbet like lemmings jumping off a cliff).

For more detailed numbers you can look in my blog, the data is there. But as it is, I am enjoying 9-tabling fullring as its enough action to keep my attention, rather than 6-tabling 6max. If anyone has some solid 100nl FR advice in terms of gametimes or actual "regs to avoid" let me know.

Chris_TC · Jan 14, 2009

ChuckTs said:
LC % represents the % of the time that the player calls after limping, so ya it can be used by itself.

Oh, I see, that's awesome. Gotta add this then!

I just checked my Stars VPP/hand stats in HEM, and to my surprise $3/$6 fares better than $5/$10, at 0.67VPP/hand vs. 0.61VPP/hand

There are clearly too many TAGs at 1KNL. But $3/$6 is the limit of the devil, so I'm in a predicament.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 14, 2009

icemonkey9 said:
For more detailed numbers you can look in my blog, the data is there.

LOL. From all the whining and crying you did over here I thought you were actually losing moneyzz at poker lately.

Good to know you're a winner.

And yes, i do feel like playing to full ring when moving up a level. Less variance, more predictable opponents.

eNTy · Jan 14, 2009

Can I join your red line club belgo ?
All my hands (started playing in October)

BelgoSuisse · Jan 14, 2009

eNTy said:
Can I join your red line club belgo ?
All my hands (started playing in October)

Very nice red line.

This is all at 10 and 25nl, right? Kind of contradicts the popular view that people can't fold at at the smallest stakes.

Chris_TC · Jan 14, 2009

Have you ever made a video, Belgo?

BelgoSuisse · Jan 14, 2009

Chris_TC said:
Have you ever made a video, Belgo?

no.

eNTy · Jan 14, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
Very nice red line.

This is all at 10 and 25nl, right? Kind of contradicts the popular view that people can't fold at at the smallest stakes.

Yes it is.
My personal theory is that a. people will chase a lot and then fold when they don't hit dumping money in the pot. And b. that I take a million pots with flop cbets.
I'm pretty aggro, my AF for this whole sample is 4..

eNTy · Jan 14, 2009

Why do I always have to lose the fking big pots

This session is frustrating as hell.

UTG+1: $26.45 (105.8 bb)
UTG+2: $26.16 (104.6 bb)
MP1: $25 (100 bb)
MP2: $28 (112 bb)
Hero (MP3): $36.18 (144.7 bb)
CO: $8.79 (35.2 bb)
BTN: $12.18 (48.7 bb)
SB: $4.60 (18.4 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with A

A

2 folds, MP1 raises to $1, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $3.30, CO folds, BTN calls $3.30, 2 folds, MP1 calls $2.30

Flop: ($10.25) T

9

Q

(3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $7.15, BTN calls $7.15, MP1 raises to $21.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.55, BTN calls $1.73 and is all-in

Turn: ($62.53) 3

(3 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($62.53) 8

(3 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $62.53 pot ($3.50 rake)
Hero showed A

A

(a pair of Aces) and lost (-$25.00 net)
BTN showed Q

Q

(three of a kind, Queens) and lost (-$12.18 net)
MP1 showed 9

J

(a straight, Eight to Queen) and won $59.03 ($34.03 net)

zachvac · Jan 14, 2009

icemonkey9 said:
I decided to make a move in my game last week. Looking at my stats I ran twice as well (in terms of winrate) at fullring than I did at 6max with about the same sample size of hands. So I moved up to 100nl and played fullring and I really feel my 6max experience was absolutely a valuable tool about becoming a better TAG player and not a TAGfish like I can spot now at the tables.

The move has gone well as I am handling the bet sizes and appropriate spots correctly, have been making solid reads, and exploiting the fish at the tables while doing my best to handle the regs that seem to know vaguely what they are doing (although some seem to cbet like lemmings jumping off a cliff).

For more detailed numbers you can look in my blog, the data is there. But as it is, I am enjoying 9-tabling fullring as its enough action to keep my attention, rather than 6-tabling 6max. If anyone has some solid 100nl FR advice in terms of gametimes or actual "regs to avoid" let me know.

ok here's the secret to playing 100nl FR: You wait until Rex and tb are playing and sit on their left

.

In all seriousness though nice job and it seems you're off to a good start recognizing how to exploit the regs (I hope you're raising cbets or floating a ton of people who "cbet like lemmings jumping off a cliff" rather than just commenting on it). There are not very many solid regs and most have some leaks. If you want to discuss specifics hit me up on aim.

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