* January's Juxtaposed Pokahz Chat *

eNTy · Jan 26, 2009

ChuckTs said:
I will!

:elefant:

That elephant makes me trip so hard every time I see it..

BelgoSuisse · Jan 26, 2009

eNTy said:
That elephant makes me trip so hard every time I see it..

what elephant? there's no elephant, enty. it's only in your mind...

eNTy · Jan 26, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
what elephant? there's no elephant, enty. it's only in your mind...

It must be ChuckTs making me trip then

Damn White Bread.

icemonkey9 · Jan 26, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
Actually, shoving is only good if villain stacks trips. Under flushes are not enough.

He can have 24 combos of 33,88,K3,K8 for a boat, excluding AK,KK,AA that he would probably play differently. He can also have 8 combos of nut flushes to beat us.

There are only 28 combos of smaller flushes, and that includes villain opening UTG+1 with 92s and crap like that, which i doubt unless his vpip is 100.

24+8 > 28, so shoving is bad even if he calls with all smaller flushes. We need trips in his calling range to make it +EV.

NOTE: commenting about this hand: http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/255077

Villain in that hand is ... you guessed it ... a 52/18/3. I saw him payoff a value-bet half-stack at the river holding 35 for a pair of 5s on a 6TQ54 board. Villain dependent shove? You bet your ass it was.

It was, at the end of the day, a terrible stack off. Given the villains range of 52% I'm still woefully behind at the river if you stick the numbers in Pokerazor.

Anyways a night sleep and I feel better.

S93 · Jan 26, 2009

Villain is 74/48/inf

....
Surprised thou he had the top of his range.

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details
Replay This Hand

BTN: $10.25 (102.5 bb)
SB: $9.90 (99 bb)
BB: $6.45 (64.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $23.15 (231.5 bb)
MP: $32.05 (320.5 bb)
CO: $5.40 (54 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with J

J

Hero raises to $0.40, MP calls $0.40, 3 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.25) 3

6

8

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, MP calls $1, BB folds

Turn: ($3.25) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $30.65 and is all-in, Hero calls $21.75 and is all-in

River: ($46.75) 3

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $46.75 pot ($2.30 rake)
Hero showed J

J

(two pairs, Jacks and Threes) and won $44.45 ($21.30 net)
MP mucked 9

9

(two pairs, Nines and Threes) and lost (-$23.15 net)

eNTy · Jan 26, 2009

F**K
I thought I was chopping for sure and feeding the rake

.
Dangerous sort of flush board, althoguh unlikely, but could've probably got some more value fo sho..

UTG+1: $11.41 (114.1 bb)
UTG+2: $4.90 (49 bb)
MP1: $1.23 (12.3 bb)
MP2: $24.57 (245.7 bb)
MP3: $1.31 (13.1 bb)
CO: $14.95 (149.5 bb)
BTN: $10.18 (101.8 bb)
SB: $1.95 (19.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.09 (100.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with Q

K

3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.40, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) J

Q

6

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, MP2 calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($2.05) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.97, Hero calls $0.97

Results: $3.99 pot ($0.19 rake)
MP2 showed T

T

(three of a kind, Tens) and lost (-$1.97 net)
Hero showed Q

K

(a straight, Ten to Ace) and won $3.80 ($1.83 net)

Monoxide · Jan 26, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
You can't unless someone else flops a boat.

I much prefer flopping a set than quads, tbh. Also, I prefer middle set to top set. You need villain to have something to pay off your big hands.

flopping low quads is aight though... if you got 55 and board is 558, 8 pays you, 99-AA pays you, maybe a lower pair might if they suck.

KK flop quads sucks to get value out of though

eNTy · Jan 26, 2009

Does anyone know how far the bad beatbeat jackpot tables on party cut into your winrate ? Some on 3+3 said it was 1.5ptBB/100 at 200nl so probably more at lower stakes..

ChuckTs · Jan 26, 2009

it's enough that I think unless the games are ridiculously juicy, there's no use in playing them.

Matter of fact, wtf are you doing on party poker?

blankoblanco · Jan 26, 2009

eNTy said:
F**K
I thought I was chopping for sure and feeding the rake .
Dangerous sort of flush board, althoguh unlikely, but could've probably got some more value fo sho..

UTG+1: $11.41 (114.1 bb)
UTG+2: $4.90 (49 bb)
MP1: $1.23 (12.3 bb)
MP2: $24.57 (245.7 bb)
MP3: $1.31 (13.1 bb)
CO: $14.95 (149.5 bb)
BTN: $10.18 (101.8 bb)
SB: $1.95 (19.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.09 (100.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with Q

K

3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.40, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) J

Q

6

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, MP2 calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($2.05) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.97, Hero calls $0.97

Results: $3.99 pot ($0.19 rake)
MP2 showed T

T

(three of a kind, Tens) and lost (-$1.97 net)
Hero showed Q

K

(a straight, Ten to Ace) and won $3.80 ($1.83 net)

just bet river on the smallish side yourself, you'll get paid off by all sorts of two pairs that will check behind too much. more than makes up for a few cents of rake when you chop

eNTy · Jan 26, 2009

ChuckTs said:
it's enough that I think unless the games are ridiculously juicy, there's no use in playing them.

Matter of fact, wtf are you doing on party poker?

rakeback

combuboom said:
just bet river on the smallish side yourself, you'll get paid off by all sorts of two pairs that will check behind too much. more than makes up for a few cents of rake when you chop

Gotcha.

ChuckTs · Jan 26, 2009

sigh thanks combu for getting me addicted to ebay.

Just bought:

N64 w/2 controllers + expansion pack
Diddy Kong racing
Mario kart
goldeneye
super smash bros
nfl blitz
NES with controllers and gun and all 3 mario games booya
SNES edit: w/donkey kong
no snes games yet...

lol

blankoblanco · Jan 26, 2009

weeeeeeeeeee

have fun

jewboy07 · Jan 26, 2009

ChuckTs said:
sigh thanks combu for getting me addicted to ebay.

Just bought:

N64 w/2 controllers + expansion pack
Diddy Kong racing
Mario kart
goldeneye
super smash bros
nfl blitz
NES with controllers and gun and all 3 mario games booya
SNES edit: w/donkey kong
no snes games yet...

lol

oh chuck as for the N64 dont forget the zelda games

and my personal favorite game for that system was star fox

S93 · Jan 26, 2009

Just played a small seesion,but a very profitable one

.
Im just about rolled for 25NL now but im gonna buy HEM before moving up cause even thou Realtime HUD is a usefull tool i really whant they anlysis options of HEM.

S93 · Jan 26, 2009

How can every on talk about the old game system and games and forget the Turtles games?
They where da shit imo.

jewboy07 · Jan 26, 2009

sindri_93 said:
How can every on talk about the old game system and games and forget the Turtles games?
They where da shit imo.

for the original nes the turles II was the nuts!

the first one was kinda bad i thought

KingCurtis · Jan 26, 2009

sindri_93 said:
How can every on talk about the old game system and games and forget the Turtles games?
They where da shit imo.

OMG I forgot the first one especially were they do like a million flips in the air when you jump and health is pizza.... good memories

btw been table selecting at 10nl and it's been helping, sindri is this what you do cuz every time you post you have a fish in your net

WVHillbilly · Jan 26, 2009

sindri_93 said:
Just played a small seesion,but a very profitable one .
Im just about rolled for 25NL now but im gonna buy HEM before moving up cause even thou Realtime HUD is a usefull tool i really whant they anlysis options of HEM.

If you're going to buy the pro version of HEM, you might want to consider joining Stox before you do. As a Stox member you can get the Pro version of HEM for $45. Since the Stox monthly cost is $28, you save $7 over just buying HEM straight out and you get to check out Stox for a month. If you have 5K Full Tilt points you can join Stox with those and then buy HEM for $45.

KingCurtis · Jan 26, 2009

Anyone think it's best to join stox for a month first then decide on longer?

vagas35 · Jan 26, 2009

ChuckTs said:
sigh thanks combu for getting me addicted to ebay.

Just bought:

N64 w/2 controllers + expansion pack
Diddy Kong racing
Mario kart
goldeneye
super smash bros
nfl blitz
NES with controllers and gun and all 3 mario games booya
SNES edit: w/donkey kong
no snes games yet...

lol

A must for the n64 legend of zelda majora's mask you will need an expansion pack and zelda oot

S93 · Jan 26, 2009

KingCurtis said:
OMG I forgot the first one especially were they do like a million flips in the air when you jump and health is pizza.... good memories

btw been table selecting at 10nl and it's been helping, sindri is this what you do cuz every time you post you have a fish in your net

I dont table select much.
Just have a word doc with names of terrible regs and when i start a seesion i search them

.

I think i have my old game consoldes in the garage,now i have to go dig them up and go do turtle pizza flips

.

jewboy07 · Jan 26, 2009

KingCurtis said:
Anyone think it's best to join stox for a month first then decide on longer?

KC if you play on Full Tilt you can earn memberships through the points you collect as apart of their free training thing

but i'll go out on a limb and say you'd get alot out of being a member and you would be happy the more time you spend there

KingCurtis · Jan 26, 2009

sindri_93 said:
I dont table select much.
Just have a word doc with names of terrible regs and when i start a seesion i search them .

I think i have my old game consoldes in the garage,now i have to go dig them up and go do turtle pizza flips .

thats a good idea I will start doing that

jewboy07 said:
KC if you play on Full Tilt you can earn memberships through the points you collect as apart of their free training thing

but i'll go out on a limb and say you'd get alot out of being a member and you would be happy the more time you spend there

Yeah I play exclusevly at Stars so I'll have to pay straight up

blankoblanco · Jan 26, 2009

man, i want to try to play 50k hands at 1/2 NL FR on ftp in february. i wonder if i can get any prop bets on that (with odds), cause i sorely need the motivation

background: i've never played more than 10k cash game hands in a month, ever. i've never played more than 2k hands in a day, ever. i've played more than 1k hands in a day two times in my life. i'm an incredibly lazy sob. i don't and won't be mass-multitabling, i only play 6-9 tables

anyone think i'd be able to find action on this for 2:1? i think it'd be massively +EV for anyone betting against me, but hopefully also +EV for myself since it would motivate me to play

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