And despite hating everything other than the players (and bonuses) on UB, this is the major reason I still play there. All yesterday in the span of 1360 hands:
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($369.75)
SB ($916.65)
BB ($409)
UTG ($208.80)
MP ($363)
Hero (CO) ($530)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 10
, A
2 folds, Hero bets $12, 2 folds, BB raises to $42, Hero raises to $100, BB calls $58
Flop: ($202) 3
, 10
, 3
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($202) A
(2 players)
BB bets $109, Hero calls $109
River: ($420) 7
(2 players)
BB raises to $200 (All-In), Hero calls $200
Total pot: $820 | Rake: $3
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($212.70)
SB ($318.25)
BB ($447.25)
UTG ($524.90)
MP ($231.35)
Hero (CO) ($233.80)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K
, K
2 folds, Hero bets $6, 1 fold, SB raises to $13, 1 fold, Hero raises to $60, SB calls $47
Flop: ($122) 6
, 8
, Q
(2 players)
SB raises to $258.25 (All-In), Hero calls $173.80 (All-In)
Turn: ($469.60) 10
(2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($469.60) J
(2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $469.60 | Rake: $3.50
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($199)
SB ($399.35)
BB ($339.30)
Hero (UTG) ($212)
MP ($225.40)
CO ($838.15)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8
, 8
Hero bets $6, MP calls $6, 2 folds, SB calls $5, BB calls $4
Flop: ($24) 6
, 5
, 8
(4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $15, Hero raises to $45, 2 folds, BB calls $30
Turn: ($114) 6
(2 players)
BB bets $38, Hero raises to $115, BB calls $77
River: ($344) 2
(2 players)
BB raises to $173.30 (All-In), Hero calls $46 (All-In)
Total pot: $436 | Rake: $3
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($94.80)
Hero (SB) ($477.75)
BB ($135.20)
UTG ($55)
MP ($200.85)
CO ($475.80)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K
, K
1 fold, MP bets $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, MP raises to $200.85 (All-In), Hero calls $176.85
Flop: ($403.70) 9
, A
, 3
(2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($403.70) 2
(2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($403.70) 3
(2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $403.70 | Rake: $3
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Hero (Button) ($200.70)
SB ($366.60)
BB ($373.20)
UTG ($142.15)
MP ($194.58)
CO ($322.32)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K
, K
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Hero bets $12, 2 folds, UTG calls $10, CO calls $10
Flop: ($39) 6
, 5
, 7
(3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $25, UTG raises to $50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $188.70 (All-In), UTG calls $80.15 (All-In)
Turn: ($299.30) 8
(2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($299.30) 6
(2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $299.30 | Rake: $3.50
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($76)
SB ($923.55)
BB ($225)
UTG ($389)
MP ($73.65)
Hero (CO) ($387.50)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A
, A
1 fold, MP bets $23, Hero raises to $68, 3 folds, MP calls $50.65 (All-In), Hero calls $5.65
Flop: ($150.30) 10
, J
, J
(2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($150.30) 3
(2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($150.30) Q
(2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $150.30 | Rake: $3
edit: crap no results, villains had:
1. KhQc
2. A8d
3. 7Td
4. 7s7d
5. Q7h
6. 2d2c
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($369.75)
SB ($916.65)
BB ($409)
UTG ($208.80)
MP ($363)
Hero (CO) ($530)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 10
2 folds, Hero bets $12, 2 folds, BB raises to $42, Hero raises to $100, BB calls $58
Flop: ($202) 3
BB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($202) A
BB bets $109, Hero calls $109
River: ($420) 7
BB raises to $200 (All-In), Hero calls $200
Total pot: $820 | Rake: $3
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($212.70)
SB ($318.25)
BB ($447.25)
UTG ($524.90)
MP ($231.35)
Hero (CO) ($233.80)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K
2 folds, Hero bets $6, 1 fold, SB raises to $13, 1 fold, Hero raises to $60, SB calls $47
Flop: ($122) 6
SB raises to $258.25 (All-In), Hero calls $173.80 (All-In)
Turn: ($469.60) 10
River: ($469.60) J
Total pot: $469.60 | Rake: $3.50
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($199)
SB ($399.35)
BB ($339.30)
Hero (UTG) ($212)
MP ($225.40)
CO ($838.15)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8
Hero bets $6, MP calls $6, 2 folds, SB calls $5, BB calls $4
Flop: ($24) 6
SB checks, BB bets $15, Hero raises to $45, 2 folds, BB calls $30
Turn: ($114) 6
BB bets $38, Hero raises to $115, BB calls $77
River: ($344) 2
BB raises to $173.30 (All-In), Hero calls $46 (All-In)
Total pot: $436 | Rake: $3
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($94.80)
Hero (SB) ($477.75)
BB ($135.20)
UTG ($55)
MP ($200.85)
CO ($475.80)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K
1 fold, MP bets $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, MP raises to $200.85 (All-In), Hero calls $176.85
Flop: ($403.70) 9
Turn: ($403.70) 2
River: ($403.70) 3
Total pot: $403.70 | Rake: $3
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Hero (Button) ($200.70)
SB ($366.60)
BB ($373.20)
UTG ($142.15)
MP ($194.58)
CO ($322.32)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Hero bets $12, 2 folds, UTG calls $10, CO calls $10
Flop: ($39) 6
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $25, UTG raises to $50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $188.70 (All-In), UTG calls $80.15 (All-In)
Turn: ($299.30) 8
River: ($299.30) 6
Total pot: $299.30 | Rake: $3.50
Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)
Button ($76)
SB ($923.55)
BB ($225)
UTG ($389)
MP ($73.65)
Hero (CO) ($387.50)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A
1 fold, MP bets $23, Hero raises to $68, 3 folds, MP calls $50.65 (All-In), Hero calls $5.65
Flop: ($150.30) 10
Turn: ($150.30) 3
River: ($150.30) Q
Total pot: $150.30 | Rake: $3
edit: crap no results, villains had:
1. KhQc
2. A8d
3. 7Td
4. 7s7d
5. Q7h
6. 2d2c
BelgoSuisse said:
It's kinda bad. Looks good when you get 30% rakeback+bonus clearing+sell points for cash, and it's not horrible but it's not nearly as good as it seems either. Rakeback method is contributed, meaning if there's a 200 BB pot and you folded button none of it counts as yours whereas if there's a HU pot that is 200 BB and you folded your SB you get 1/3 of it. But since generally our edge comes from playing a bit tighter (although I limp a lot more there as well) I'm getting about 40% of what I would using MGR (the method FTP uses) and therefore around 12.6% rakeback using the same scale as FTP. For points it depends on the limit at 1/2+ it's 1 point per raked hand at 100nl it's a point every 2 raked hands. These are also contributed though so not only do they need to reach the flop but you also have to have put some money in. The rate the bonus clears is $5/100 points. Still not sure what I'll do once I clear my bonus, because it really is mega-soft but I think the main reason for that is the software just sucks really badly and everytime you go to the site you have to hear Phil Hellmuth talk and that tilts me beyond belief.
Rigged, IMO. (HH edited for your viewing pleasure. Only the juicy parts remain)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 8
6
UTG+2 calls $2, 4 folds, BTN calls $2, SB folds, Hero checks
Flop: ($7) 8
6
6
(3 players)
[...]
Results: $300 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed 8
6
(a full house, Sixes full of Eights) and lost (-$148.50 net)
UTG+2 showed 8
8
(a full house, Eights full of Sixes) and won $297 ($148.50 net)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 8
UTG+2 calls $2, 4 folds, BTN calls $2, SB folds, Hero checks
Flop: ($7) 8
[...]
Results: $300 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed 8
UTG+2 showed 8
Note on villain: aggro spewmonkey... 😀
Maybe I don't need to move to UB in order to find juicy 200nl games?
Full Tilt, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
[...]
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A
A
UTG+2 raises to $6, 5 folds, Hero raises to $22, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $16
Flop: ($46) 2
K
3
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $46, Hero calls $46
Turn: ($138) 6
(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $254.10 and is all-in, Hero calls $148.25 and is all-in
River: ($434.50) 3
(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $434.50 pot ($3 rake)
UTG+2 showed T
A
(a pair of Threes) and lost (-$216.25 net)
Hero showed A
A
(two pairs, Aces and Threes) and won $431.50 ($215.25 net)
Maybe I don't need to move to UB in order to find juicy 200nl games?
Full Tilt, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
[...]
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A
UTG+2 raises to $6, 5 folds, Hero raises to $22, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $16
Flop: ($46) 2
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $46, Hero calls $46
Turn: ($138) 6
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $254.10 and is all-in, Hero calls $148.25 and is all-in
River: ($434.50) 3
Results: $434.50 pot ($3 rake)
UTG+2 showed T
Hero showed A
BelgoSuisse said:Note on villain: aggro spewmonkey... 😀
Maybe I don't need to move to UB in order to find juicy 200nl games?
Full Tilt, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
[...]
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with AA
UTG+2 raises to $6, 5 folds, Hero raises to $22, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $16
Flop: ($46) 2K3(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $46, Hero calls $46
Turn: ($138) 6(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $254.10 and is all-in, Hero calls $148.25 and is all-in
River: ($434.50) 3(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $434.50 pot ($3 rake)
UTG+2 showed TA(a pair of Threes) and lost (-$216.25 net)
Hero showed AA(two pairs, Aces and Threes) and won $431.50 ($215.25 net)
meh I don't even hate villain's play here (assuming you do 3-bet light). You probably sometimes bet flop with AA here but almost always ch/c JJ/QQ here which you then fold when diamond hits and he shoves. You're obviously not folding AK/KK+ though and I'm not positive about hands like KQ/KJ but if you know he's capable of a bluff you probably stack those as well.
seriously crazy havent seen this many quads in a while
PokerStars Game #25526070378: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/03/02 13:53:59 ET
Table 'Mora IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Bibirico ($25.20 in chips)
Seat 2: KingCurtis67 ($33.85 in chips)
Seat 3: 123579 ($14.75 in chips)
Seat 4: DenCo1977 ($25.60 in chips)
Seat 5: GoodFight.gf ($55 in chips)
Seat 6: PIYMFD ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: P0k3rnutz ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Benz_Vince ($21.90 in chips)
Seat 9: bibi973 ($27.05 in chips)
P0k3rnutz: posts small blind $0.10
Benz_Vince: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KingCurtis67 [5d 5c]
bibi973: folds
Bibirico: folds
KingCurtis67: calls $0.25
123579: folds
DenCo1977: folds
GoodFight.gf: folds
PIYMFD: folds
P0k3rnutz: calls $0.15
Benz_Vince: raises $0.75 to $1
KingCurtis67: calls $0.75
P0k3rnutz: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 5s 3d]
Benz_Vince: checks
KingCurtis67: checks
*** TURN *** [5h 5s 3d] [Kd]
Benz_Vince: bets $1.25
KingCurtis67: raises $1.25 to $2.50
Benz_Vince: folds
Uncalled bet ($1.25) returned to KingCurtis67
KingCurtis67 collected $4.55 from pot
KingCurtis67: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.75 | Rake $0.20
Board [5h 5s 3d Kd]
Seat 1: Bibirico folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: KingCurtis67 collected ($4.55)
Seat 3: 123579 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DenCo1977 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: GoodFight.gf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: PIYMFD (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: P0k3rnutz (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Benz_Vince (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: bibi973 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
PokerStars Game #25526070378: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/03/02 13:53:59 ET
Table 'Mora IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Bibirico ($25.20 in chips)
Seat 2: KingCurtis67 ($33.85 in chips)
Seat 3: 123579 ($14.75 in chips)
Seat 4: DenCo1977 ($25.60 in chips)
Seat 5: GoodFight.gf ($55 in chips)
Seat 6: PIYMFD ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: P0k3rnutz ($4.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Benz_Vince ($21.90 in chips)
Seat 9: bibi973 ($27.05 in chips)
P0k3rnutz: posts small blind $0.10
Benz_Vince: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KingCurtis67 [5d 5c]
bibi973: folds
Bibirico: folds
KingCurtis67: calls $0.25
123579: folds
DenCo1977: folds
GoodFight.gf: folds
PIYMFD: folds
P0k3rnutz: calls $0.15
Benz_Vince: raises $0.75 to $1
KingCurtis67: calls $0.75
P0k3rnutz: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 5s 3d]
Benz_Vince: checks
KingCurtis67: checks
*** TURN *** [5h 5s 3d] [Kd]
Benz_Vince: bets $1.25
KingCurtis67: raises $1.25 to $2.50
Benz_Vince: folds
Uncalled bet ($1.25) returned to KingCurtis67
KingCurtis67 collected $4.55 from pot
KingCurtis67: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.75 | Rake $0.20
Board [5h 5s 3d Kd]
Seat 1: Bibirico folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: KingCurtis67 collected ($4.55)
Seat 3: 123579 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DenCo1977 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: GoodFight.gf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: PIYMFD (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: P0k3rnutz (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Benz_Vince (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: bibi973 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
FTP grinders will be interested in this: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/ft-updated-ironman-payouts-145211/
limit poker does provide teh lolz
Poker Stars, $21 Buy-in (20/40 stakes) Limit Hold'em Tourney, 2 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (BB): 1,350 (67.5 bb)
SB: 1,650 (82.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A
Q
SB completes, Hero raises, SB calls
Flop: (80) 9
7
T
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks
Turn: (80) 5
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets, Hero calls
River: (160) 5
(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks
Results: 160 pot
Hero showed A
Q
(a pair of Fives) and lost (-80 net)
SB showed 5
7
(a full house, Fives full of Sevens) and won 160 (80 net)
Poker Stars, $21 Buy-in (20/40 stakes) Limit Hold'em Tourney, 2 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (BB): 1,350 (67.5 bb)
SB: 1,650 (82.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A
SB completes, Hero raises, SB calls
Flop: (80) 9
Hero checks, SB checks
Turn: (80) 5
Hero checks, SB bets, Hero calls
River: (160) 5
Hero checks, SB checks
Results: 160 pot
Hero showed A
SB showed 5