MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Cafeman]

b/f looks OK, but he's an uber passive fish raising the river... that's all I'm gonna say Dr.

 

[honeycrush]

b/f looks OK, but he's an uber passive fish raising the river... that's all I'm gonna say Dr.

So it's just because he's raised rather than call down with whatever weird hand he has. Okay - I get it. Thanks. Just find it so hard to fold top pair against these types. If he'd raised bigger I would definitely have folded.

 

[pocketehs]

b/f looks OK, but he's an uber passive fish raising the river... that's all I'm gonna say Dr.

But what about notes? just cause his raising range is way diff then his calling range OTR?

 

[honeycrush]

But what about notes? just cause his raising range is way diff then his calling range OTR?

Yes, I thought he could be bluffing because in a previous hand he bet huge on the river with his missed draw and K high. He was passive pre but didn't like to fold.

If he had a bluff catcher like Qx or 8x he would probably just have called rather than raised. And if he had a set or better I expected him to raise big on the river instead of a fishy min-raise which is why I thought he was bluffing. I was obviously wrong.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Fold pre . . .

LoL.

OK. Here is my street by street on this

Flop) I miss the flop Cbet. We aren't folding him off of much better hands so our hand is limited in it's capability as a bluff. We also don't even have a made hand at this point so we struggle to get value. So check the flop.

Turn) We turned a shit load of equity here so even although our hand isn't made we have enough equity + implied odds to continue vs a fish, particularly a full stacked one. If we get bet into here I'm calling. If it gets checked to us again I would be firing.

River) If we called (someone bet into us) on the turn I would be calling a reasonable sized bet here. Anything like 80-90% pot or more and I might find a fold, depends. If we had bet on the turn and we get donked into here I'm calling a reasonable sized bet. If we get checked to regardless of whether we called or bet turn I'm betting here. B/F is best, he is too passive to X/R with nothing and his Ax one pair hands just flat us here.


The only real mistake here was not giving the fish credit. I'm a nit and I still turn into a station vs the fish as well. Just remember to always give the fish credit!

 

[DunningKruger]

I don't know why anyone wouldn't give him credit when a seemingly passive player check/raises us on the river.

 

[John A]

I don't know why anyone wouldn't give him credit when a seemingly passive player check/raises us on the river.

Your sarcasm is sometimes appreciated.

Yeah, I mean he's not CR super small with Ax being a passive fish. Just because he's bluffed a missed draw doesn't mean he's going to CR small on the river. You're getting pretty sick odds though, but you're looking at 2 pair+ like 95% of the time here.

 

[honeycrush]

Fold pre . . .

LoL.

OK. Here is my street by street on this

Flop) I miss the flop Cbet. We aren't folding him off of much better hands so our hand is limited in it's capability as a bluff. We also don't even have a made hand at this point so we struggle to get value. So check the flop.

Turn) We turned a shit load of equity here so even although our hand isn't made we have enough equity + implied odds to continue vs a fish, particularly a full stacked one. If we get bet into here I'm calling. If it gets checked to us again I would be firing.

River) If we called (someone bet into us) on the turn I would be calling a reasonable sized bet here. Anything like 80-90% pot or more and I might find a fold, depends. If we had bet on the turn and we get donked into here I'm calling a reasonable sized bet. If we get checked to regardless of whether we called or bet turn I'm betting here. B/F is best, he is too passive to X/R with nothing and his Ax one pair hands just flat us here.


The only real mistake here was not giving the fish credit. I'm a nit and I still turn into a station vs the fish as well. Just remember to always give the fish credit!

Thanks SM - next time of course I'll fold pre.

I get what both you and Pocketehs say about betting turn instead of flop. That makes more sense as I've picked up equity. I seem to be on auto-cbet sometimes which needs to stop. I checked the turn because I'd bet the flop. I would only have bet either flop OR turn and I thought there was a chance villain might fold flop. When I picked up equity on turn I decided to take free card as knew there was a chance to stack him if I made flush as he didn't like to fold once he continued with a hand. I would have called a reasonably sized river bet but when he checked for the second time I thought he had worse. Wouldn't a hand made on the turn usually bet the river for value? I could have checked back and he would have got the minimum.

I don't know why anyone wouldn't give him credit when a seemingly passive player check/raises us on the river.

Yeah I agree. But it's hard when you've seen him bluff the river in a previous hand.

 

[honeycrush]

Your sarcasm is sometimes appreciated.

Yeah, I mean he's not CR super small with Ax being a passive fish. Just because he's bluffed a missed draw doesn't mean he's going to CR small on the river. You're getting pretty sick odds though, but you're looking at 2 pair+ like 95% of the time here.

Thanks John. Really appreciate your feedback.

 

[DunningKruger]

Yeah I agree. But it's hard when you've seen him bluff the river in a previous hand.

So he bet large as a bluff in a previous hand. Leads me to think he's aware of the delicious odds being offered to you in the face of his check/raise. They really are different situations. You'll find a river c/r to be quite strong more often than not.

 

[Logan2]

I prefer not c-betting the flop then betting the turn when we pick up more equity

Agree with this.

Beting river is too thin, no? Most AX hands that usually we get value beat us there (AK/AQ/AT/A8/A7) also beat by (KJ/QT/J9/96/sets) maybe can get value from (KQ/A2-A6) but betting also give him the chance to raise missed draws so not sure.

 

[honeycrush]

This hand happened today which was a similar situation to the last hand I posted although this time I was OOP.

Villain stats: 63/6 with 4.3 3bet over 242 hands. He was a huge whale and appeared to be hitting everything and was sitting with over 600BBs! He was very passive but everyone on the table kept folding to his river bets.

I checked the flop as I didn't think I had a very strong hand and villain called every flop bet he'd faced so far. I bet the turn for value but still wasn't sure if I was ahead. With no diamond on the river I decided to bet again for value. Should this have been a x/c given that my hand wasn't that strong? If we believe that passive fish who raise the river have the nuts - is this also a fold even though we have a reasonable hand or in this case do we have odds to call? Thanks!

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $5.68 (56.8 bb)
CO: $11.48 (114.8 bb)
BTN: $62.56 (625.6 bb)
SB: $19.44 (194.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $27.73 (277.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2

8

3 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.25) 9

5

A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.25) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

River: ($0.65) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1, Hero ???

Spoiler

Results: $2.65 pot ($0.12 rake)
Final Board: 9

5

A

K

T

BTN showed Q

T

and lost (-$1.30 net)
Hero showed 2

8

and won $2.53 ($1.23 net)

 

[DunningKruger]

There's quite a bit of difference between this hand and the last. Your hand is actually rather strong here (4th nuts) against a whale who doesn't fold. Against nitty players showing strength it's not nearly as great. Anyway I would likely bet the flop. As played definitely bet the river. You get called by so much worse and you don't want to miss an opportunity to line your pockets there. The decision would be whether to call the min raise or to 3bet and that just comes down to what you've seen of him in those ~250 hands (your default is to call). You're never folding there. I don't know what to make of villain's description because he apparently keeps making river bets that everyone is folding to but he's passive at the same time.

 

[honeycrush]

There's quite a bit of difference between this hand and the last. Your hand is actually rather strong here (4th nuts) against a whale who doesn't fold. Against nitty players showing strength it's not nearly as great. Anyway I would likely bet the flop. As played definitely bet the river. You get called by so much worse and you don't want to miss an opportunity to line your pockets there. The decision would be whether to call the min raise or to 3bet and that just comes down to what you've seen of him in those ~250 hands (your default is to call). You're never folding there. I don't know what to make of villain's description because he apparently keeps making river bets that everyone is folding to but he's passive at the same time.

Thanks DK Yes, my hand is much stronger here. The whale was very passive and was check/calling all streets in nearly every hand. Then he would bet the river in almost every case. There was one nitty reg playing 18/14 (which made me smile because of this month's cash thread) who sat immediately to the whale's left and lost about 2 bi's to him through raising pre and then betting the flop and turn only to fold to the whale's river bet - presumably because he didn't have the nuts.

 

[micromachine]

This hand happened today which was a similar situation to the last hand I posted although this time I was OOP.

Villain stats: 63/6 with 4.3 3bet over 242 hands. He was a huge whale and appeared to be hitting everything and was sitting with over 600BBs! He was very passive but everyone on the table kept folding to his river bets.

I checked the flop as I didn't think I had a very strong hand and villain called every flop bet he'd faced so far. I bet the turn for value but still wasn't sure if I was ahead. With no diamond on the river I decided to bet again for value. Should this have been a x/c given that my hand wasn't that strong? If we believe that passive fish who raise the river have the nuts - is this also a fold even though we have a reasonable hand or in this case do we have odds to call? Thanks!

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $5.68 (56.8 bb)
CO: $11.48 (114.8 bb)
BTN: $62.56 (625.6 bb)
SB: $19.44 (194.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $27.73 (277.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2

8

3 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.25) 9

5

A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.25) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

River: ($0.65) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1, Hero ???

Spoiler

Results: $2.65 pot ($0.12 rake)
Final Board: 9

5

A

K

T

BTN showed Q

T

and lost (-$1.30 net)
Hero showed 2

8

and won $2.53 ($1.23 net)

Think I'd raise it to ~$2.40 to get value from worse flushes, sets and 2pair hands, not too worried about him having a better flush there

 

[honeycrush]

Think I'd raise it to ~$2.40 to get value from worse flushes, sets and 2pair hands, not too worried about him having a better flush there

Thanks MM. Yes, I did consider raising but the advice I had before about giving passive fish credit was ringing in my ears. In a following hand though I called his turn raise after flopping bottom set and x/r the river 2x pot even though there was a possible straight to discover he only had TPWK so I got max value from that hand. I think with everybody folding to him all the time and having such a huge stack he was bullying people in his passive-aggressive way. He left me alone after that though.

 

[micromachine]

Yeah you have to give to give raises from passive fish more credit but at the end of the day they are fish and will often overvalue their hands. In the 82s hand I would expect him to raise bigger with a strong flush and like you said he was probably getting ****y after going a heater and successfully getting a few river folds

edit: what? I'm not allowed c()cky? lol

 

[honeycrush]

edit: what? I'm not allowed c()cky? lol

LOL - the profanity filter has become very prudish!

 

[Cafeman]

****gobbler!

 

[UnNa7uRal]

PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: $10.15 (VPIP: 51.72, PFR: 31.03, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 29)
MP: $9.85 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 13)
CO: $10.00 (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 18.75, Hands: 25)
BTN: $11.86 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (SB): $23.34
BB: $3.70 (VPIP: 4.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: $12.47 (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K:spade: A:spade:

UTG raises to $0.30, UTG+1 raises to $0.90, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.85, fold, UTG calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.80, 3 players) 2:heart: 7:spade: K:heart:
Hero bets $1.30, UTG calls $1.30, UTG+1 calls $1.30

Turn: ($6.70, 3 players) T:spade:
Hero bets $2.00, UTG calls $2.00, fold

River: ($10.70, 2 players) 2:club:
Hero bets $4.00, UTG calls $4.00

Hero shows K:spade: A:spade: (Two Pair, Kings and Twos) (Pre 71%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
UTG mucks Q:club: K:club: (Two Pair, Kings and Twos) (Pre 29%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $17.86




What do you think guys? I found that 10 NL suits me best (I loose at 25NL and 5NL, 2NL). I turned 30$ (that I won originally from freerolls) to 100$ in a week by playing 10 NL (I even lost a lot in MTTs and got them back again in the cash games) . Should I continue playing this level and also quit playing MTTs? Also comment the hand please! Cheers xx

 

[micromachine]

$100 isn't enough for 10nl, you should really be playing 5nl with that bankroll, but if you're not too bothered about losing it then go ahead with the 10nl.

The hand:

4 betting pre would've been better than flatting, calling 3bets OOP is generally unwise.

I'm not a fan of the donk bet; UTG+1 who 3bet pre seems like an aggressive player, I would let him c-bet so you can c/r or even c/c then c/r the turn.

 

[UnNa7uRal]

$100 isn't enough for 10nl, you should really be playing 5nl with that bankroll, but if you're not too bothered about losing it then go ahead with the 10nl.

The hand:

4 betting pre would've been better than flatting, calling 3bets OOP is generally unwise.

I'm not a fan of the donk bet; UTG+1 who 3bet pre seems like an aggressive player, I would let him c-bet so you can c/r or even c/c then c/r the turn.

I know what's the common saying about BRM. I'm not looking to be one of those grinders to play 3-4 hours sessions just for a little edge. Just made the best 30 mins session in my life getting 35$ with table max 10$. That's the good thing in 10NL that you can say ASAP who is playing good and who's a fish!

 

[Cafeman]

$100 for 10NL isn't enough unless you can reload without a problem - which basically means, unless your effective BR is actually larger than $100. If $100 is all you have for a BR then it's pretty risky to play 10NL. Up to you though eh

And yeah, we've all had those sessions mate, but don't forget the ones where we end up down 5 BIs, cos those happen too right.

 

[pocketehs]

moving back down to 16NL until I can figure my **** out

to think i was mixing 50NL like 3 weeks ago

 

[honeycrush]

moving back down to 16NL until I can figure my **** out

to think i was mixing 50NL like 3 weeks ago

What happened?!! Tilt?