Is Online Poker Rigged?

[Artbart805]

Rigged ??

Maybe not rigged for one special person or bot to win, but limits the depth you can achieve.

You know, run up your stack, go card dead for 2hours, get AA on the button, You call an all in , J 4 off.. flop JJ4, T 4 R j

???

 

[VovanBaron]

I say more ...not only online poker but also offline poker is rigged too. When I played offline with friends I noted it

 

[Artbart805]

Yes! At least predicable do to software hack or inside information?

Free roll

Same player each time

All 7 j

Flop 77 2

3 hands later

2, 9 all in

flop 2,2 , j

About. 7 hands later

All in

5, 8 o

Flop

5, 8, 5...

I won’t mention the site but it may look like infinity x 3.

I was not involved in these hands, but always out when I I run into a bigger stack, with KK or AA, vs 7,4 or KK runs into AA, or AQ, runs into AK. Coolers.

I usually run up a big stack until the cooler.

 

[Artbart805]

Rigged ? Party poker?

Hand history last tournament
So to summarize, without listing all the data.
I think the hands dealt are not as random I expect they should be.
Doubled up second hand in, as late entry, 3 playable hands after that, with any position.


Hand. Freq.
AA 1.
KK. 0.
QQ 0
JJ 0,
1010 0,
99. 0,
88 1,
77 0,
66 1
55 0.
44 1
33 , 1
22. 4
No trips or sets....
No flush draws or flushes
No straights only inside draws
AK. 0
A Q. 3
AJ. 0
A 10. 3
A 9. 2
A 8. 2
A 7. 1
A 6. 4
A 5. 1
A 4. 2
A 3. 1
A 2. 1
K Q. 1
K J. 3
K 10. 0
K 9. 2
K 8. 4
k 7. 0
K 6. 4
K5. 1
K3 2
K2 2
Note 14 suited hands.
9.8. 5 times suited once
97. 2
6. X. 12
7 x. 8
8 x.

 

[Artbart805]

Rigged?

Personal view, no data


888. Donked all in 2,J off suit. Bets all hands



party poker, Post flop. Hero all in with 2 pair or top flop pair with A kicker.. miracle turn card or if required. Runner runner four
card flush or 4 card straight

 

[dayontour]

Rigged against us

Is Online Poker Rigged?

I think most online players have asked themselves this question more times than they would like to admit. I think if the Software was rigged against us, one of the sites would have been found out by now Surly.

And we have to trust the regulators.
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[Artbart805]

Rigged?

Ok, turbo...

Hero A7 off. Big stack
Villain calls all in. A 4 Small stack

Flop 4 , 6 , 10, t/r A , Q

Next hand
Hero AK s. All I
Same villain. Q, 3 o. Calls
Flop 3, q , 5. 7, ,7

Then goes on to donk more????

 

[chuckycheese]

bad breaks

i dunno, i dont see people jamming out of position with k6 and winning against premiums as much live as i do online...

i've seen one hand live (break hand) where someone flopped nut flush, and walked away as the other person runner runner fullhoused them and came back confused af....

but thats the only live hand where i said, hey.. i guess you cant play break hands live, either which is a rule i've developed strictly from playing online poker.. the variance in break hands is ****ing ridiculous, but apparently its a little abnormal live, as well

aside from that, i still see way weirder shit online that can only be explained by seeing hole cards.... which, i know from former employees at stars that.. they all have access to, and are encouraged to play.. you know, hole card seeing software. even though they claim employees cant play.

i feel like its much harder to cheat live than online, as well.. so for that fact alone, its much more likely that if somethign happens itll be online.. but rigged vs someone cheating... its not the same thing.

the real question is, how often are they checking that RNG? isle of man law is what, every 5 years? or twice in five??.. lots can be manipulated in the mean time

all of the weird stuff happening on native land in canada and people dont think its weird when pokerstars moves there? lol i mean come on guys... their CEO is a criminal who gets away.. you trust his company? lol

they just dumped a bunch of stock, time to short it and watch it fall but most people agree online poker algo's are designed to incite action - you say tomato, i say tomawto.. that sounds like deck manipulation to me.. which is rigged, no?

i was playing at poker stars 5 left at final table i have got pocket aces. chip leader calls me with 3 5 hits 3 5 on flop, yes i was pssed but thats poker if would have won the hand i wouldnt be mad no i dont think poker is rigged

 

[Pimp 007 x]

I can't help to sometimes think it is rigged, usually when I'm on a downward losing streak, but I can see some patterns in some hands... Like I can predict the rivee based on the flop and the turn, maybe it truly isn't random, and the card number generator can only go so high before resorting to the same carda over and over.

Also, any time I get Aces, I have terrible luck... The hand is supposed to have a 70% win rate.... But for me it's only like 20% at most.

 

[Geoff445]

I would suggest to anyone to stay under the radar, the federal government spares no expense. Haha.

 

[DAVID KEHRER]

Anything can be rigged my son in law is computer software developer and he was telling me any program can be manipulated. So if you think it is dont play.

 

[amatola]

ACR - sure not rigged.

3 at the table, villian had been going all in stealing the blinds.

Hero BB

Villian all in

Hero: call with A9s

Villian 96o

Flop: T87 - villian flops straight, of course

Turn: J (lets keep the hero hoping hey, maybe there is more money to be made in rake)

River : A ( but hang on, 4 of the cards where spades, and villians 9 was a spade)

Villian wins with a flush.

Chance of this happening between two and most poker rooms, it happens, very occasionally. Of course, this happens regularly on ACR.

I play at 6 rooms, so you do get a feel of what's normal, and what's not. ACR is beginning to sour poker for me, unfortunately. I would not have minded had the guy won with a flush, but it's the way the cards fall, designed to extract the MAXIMUM amount of cash and therefore rake, he just happened to go all in.

 

[ganbat]

There's no motive to rig for big sites though.

 

[puzzlefish]

There's no motive to rig for big sites though.

Really? The decision between making a guaranteed amount of rake or making two, three, or more times as much rake? No motive. Nope.

 

[djasset]

Yes, def! except coinpoker- but I play the same 6 people it seems like every day, and they chat a bunch... so they are some pretty fine bots if so.... also, it is the only rnd that i currently trust out there... also, not illegal in the US -

 

[Artbart805]

Regulators

Who are they????

Is Online Poker Rigged?

I think most online players have asked themselves this question more times than they would like to admit. I think if the Software was rigged against us, one of the sites would have been found out by now Surly.

And we have to trust the regulators.
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[YoloASAP]

A short answer: NO.

I WILL EXPLAIN:

Majority of the sites are not Rigged, because it just would be bad business to do so, ALSO it jeopardizes the sites overall income. Poker Sites for the most part, make their money from a "Rake System" They take a commission/percentage of each and every hand played. Overall, depending on how much traffic they get at their site, the profits from rake can be substantial. Therefore it wouldn't pay to rig hands. They use Algorithms that usually use a system of "RNG" (Random Number Generator), ro produce the poker hands, flops, turn, and river. So the hands aren't ever rigged, they're always random.

A lot of new players, or amateur players tend to think sites are rigged. Something happens like they get pocket Kings, and another player gets pocket Aces, and they both go all in pre-flop and the pocket aces beat the pocket kings. Well this happens, both online and in Live Poker. hands that are considered "bat beats", happen more often online than in Live games basically because the number of hands we can play online is significantly more than in a Live game. Because in a live game, we have to shuffle, count chips, just everything, compared to online, it's all done automatically via computer technology. so we can see 100 or more hands played in an hour, compared to the lesser amount that can be played in Live Poker Games in that same amount of time. A lot of people that think the game is rigged, are not regular online poker players. It's players that usually play for recreation or occasionally, and they tend to play bad also. Like going all in pre-flop often without playing hands out.

Although I said poker is NOT RIGGED. There are potentially sites that could be. These sites are more than likely sites that are not well known, or don't have a lot of people visiting their site. They could have a system of rigging, or "house players". I ALWAYS ADVISE people to look into the site they are choosing to play at before seriously playing with their money. Again though, for the most part sites are not rigged, and would be dumb to have any rigging going on. Because they could make so much money from commission.

There's so much I could go into about this subject, and overall my conclusion is NO, Online Poker is NOT rigged. Just know when to hold em, know when to fold em.

There could be a situation, you have pocket Aces, and only limp in to the hand, and let 5 others limp in with crap cards too... Well, because you limped in with aces, and not raise Pre-Flop, you gave all the "FISH" an opportunity to hit a hand cheap. so Fish now has two pair from the flop, with 5/8 offsuit. Is the site rigged against you? No, you just played the Aces bad, from the jump. I'm just saying there's so many reason people tend to think something is rigged. But overall... It's not.


Good Luck, on and off the tables,
ason

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[Rocky87345]

Not sure but I get that feeling sometimes when it's getting close to the end of a tournament and I'm short stacked and the large stack is calling my pre flop all ins with any 2 cards and I lose even though I have my opponent dominated preflop.

 

[Pokerishard]

GOOD QUESTION.................

 

[Pokerishard]

100 %.........but how long time yoy play safety................and enjoy............is ok.............but 100 % rigged.

 

[amatola]

Really? The decision between making a guaranteed amount of rake or making two, three, or more times as much rake? No motive. Nope.

Exactly, I just could not be bothered to reply.


Any increase in rake would go straight to the bottom line. Bad beats happen on all sites, this is not about bad beats. This is about hands that intentionally get players to go all-in and therefore increasing rake. And of course, they don't happen every single hand, but they happen more than they statistically should. This is not about favoring one player, this is about getting more rake by getting more players to commit more chips to the pot.

It would be very easy to introduce these doctored hands every 12 hand or so and increase rake substantially per hour. ACR seems to frequently have 3 sometimes 4 players with holding pairs of 8 and above. In real life, this does not happen very often.

 

[Igor Popadyk]

there is a feeling (maybe a conspiracy theory) that the program costs and twists depending on how many people fill the rake, how often it makes a deposit or something like that

 

[BundesBurger]

the expensive places ...............

Sorry my english i am from germany.:wink:

Sure, with the rake, we have now all understood.

But what do you think of this consideration. The game is manipulated so that the providers of their own bots in a tournament e.g. take the first 9 places and no money has to be paid to other players, except of course micro winnings, you have to motivate the players?
All real players are taken out in front of the really expensive money places!
If that were possible, it would be technically possible. Would that be interesting and lucrative for the providers? I think so. Why should one be satisfied with the rake when one can simply save the prize money?
If nobody can control who the big winners are, they mostly come from Russia or China

 

[noremorse]

A few years ago regulars were advantaged by poker sites with bigger rakebacks and some bigger status freerolls.

now , it is the other way around.
poker sites view players not for how much time and energy they invest in this game but how much money.
this is coming from pokerstars and we all know who runs pokerstars.

but not only there .on 888 if you search on terms and conditions of their daily spinner promo you will find at point 7 : "The odds of winning vary between players, depending on their history of games and deposits made."
so ...if you withdraw more than you deposit you have slighter chances of winning.
is this true for their RNG also ?

on pokerstars we all know that if you withdraw more than you deposit your chest`s costs grow very much and you go practically to no rakeback at all.(~ 1 % ).

so it is very clear that if you are a winning player you are beeing discriminated by the pokersites.

they see you as a raport between deposits / withdrawls .

is this not discriminatory ? does not this require some kind of action from regular players ?

and the bigger question is ...
is this apllying only to promotions ... or they can make the RNG aplly to the same rules so they even the leveles even more ?

i would really like to hear more opinions on this matter as i think it is a very important issue not addressed enough.

 

[puzzlefish]

A few years ago regulars were advantaged by poker sites with bigger rakebacks and some bigger status freerolls.

now , it is the other way around.
poker sites view players not for how much time and energy they invest in this game but how much money.
this is coming from pokerstars and we all know who runs pokerstars.

but not only there .on 888 if you search on terms and conditions of their daily spinner promo you will find at point 7 : "The odds of winning vary between players, depending on their history of games and deposits made."
so ...if you withdraw more than you deposit you have slighter chances of winning.
is this true for their RNG also ?

on pokerstars we all know that if you withdraw more than you deposit your chest`s costs grow very much and you go practically to no rakeback at all.(~ 1 % ).

so it is very clear that if you are a winning player you are beeing discriminated by the pokersites.

they see you as a raport between deposits / withdrawls .

is this not discriminatory ? does not this require some kind of action from regular players ?

and the bigger question is ...
is this apllying only to promotions ... or they can make the RNG aplly to the same rules so they even the leveles even more ?

i would really like to hear more opinions on this matter as i think it is a very important issue not addressed enough.

I think it has been discussed plenty over the years but mostly ends up in the rigged megathread. I'm not sure what makes this thread special that it hasn't been merged yet, but either way it is to the point that I am tired of talking about it because the same talking points come up over and over.

Case example: I have a SportsBettingPoker account and a BetOnline account for the CC freerolls. I made some money on both. I then went on a heater on cash tables on BetOnline and increased my bankroll from about $10 to $85. Then suddenly it was like the tables flipped, all of my playable hands stopped hitting the flop and my premium pairs started to get sucked out (vs. sets and straights), all starting in one session. The best way to describe it would be a sudden flood of -EV situations. Bankroll fell back down to $40 and the run bad never stopped. So I switched to my SportsBetting account and played exactly the same way, but my cards were hitting the flop normally. How to explain this except that variance is being manipulated by that network? Both sites are essentially the same client with different skins running on the same network. And this isn't the first time I have experienced this.

But that's all it is - a case example and no proof of anything, so players can keep pushing buttons and converting their time to rake kickbacks for their poker sites. There's no doubt in my mind that it is happening but only a question of whether there is anything that can be done about it.