Is Online Poker Rigged?

[some39thing]

Online poker not rigged

There is no reason to rig it. There is too much money at stake.

 

[BundesBurger]

There is no reason to rig it. There is too much money at stake.

Please explain that to me.

 

[Olivierian]

I don't think.

 

[Milan Godhania]

Most poker players don't expect to get a call after the flop but if the chance to get a straight / flush is high then you will see those risks being taken.

 

[molokheia]

Hi There

Do you think so?
Look what happened yday
I had A2 and some fish had 66
the flop: 345
I go allin and the fish calls
The turn: xx
The River 7

Now tell me....

Rgds

 

[Awaterfall13]

Just finished on a 0.50 euro tournament down to last 9 and fighting to get to last table when I’ve just had 2 of the strangest hands

I was in the 8/9 position and going up against 9th place to get to the final table, they went all in so I called with pocket 8s they had 4-5 off suit only to get 4-5-5 on flop knocking my stack from 600,000 (roughly) to about 250,000. I managed to get back up to 450,000 to find my self heads up again With the same person who went all in again, I had pocket Q’s they had pocket 2’s

I landed the 3rd queen for trips on the flop so was chuffed to bits revenge was mine, until I saw the turn which gave a 2!! Surely not, what would the river bring ANOTHER 2

now surely this is the games way of ushering me into an all in situation only to turn it on me so that I’d be eliminated and the tournament is through to the final table

I don’t think the game is rigged for any one particular person but I think the cards are dealt so that a clear winner is in mind in this situation

Might be paranoia may just be be online poker lol good luck all

 

[okeedokalee]

Until you understand poker is about position, player styles, hand ranges, flop categories, board types and so much more, if you think poker is rigged then nothing can be said to help persuade you otherwise.

 

[James24543]

I believe online poker sites can be hacked into and the cards are manipulated to favor for and against players, and this includes all cards dealt, including hole and community cards. There is not a constant verifiable process to ensure the cards are randomly dealt, except through the site owner's guarantee, their sites get hacked and they know about it but keep it a secret. A process similar to block chain needs to be developed to ensure the integrity of online poker.

 

[du0rotan]

I really believe that online poker softwares are rigged (though not always, it happens), atleast one of them shows a pattern that makes it so obvious. I notice that when bad beat jackpots reach a certain high or go unclaimed for quite some time (micros), there are consecutive days when many players are lured to commit huge stacks in consecutive hands (based on many many previous hands improving postflop). It's always going to be profitable for the platform when players gamble to hit the jackpots. There are other patterns / clues that I see this happen like when extremely loose players would risk more than 3 buy-ins in a session, they would also earn them back in the same session and many times make a profit going all-in preflop, again the operative word being CONSECUTIVELY, with unplayable hands. :hmmmm2:

 

[AllenKll]

It is not rigged. What it is is looser. To play in a casino, you have to go there, register, get chips, get a table, see your opponents, feel the chips in your hand. People tend to tighten up.

Online... it's all a game, ethereal.. no chips, no faces, no real cards,
"meh... I'm gonna shove my 38o and see what happens... Oh! quads... yay." - says the random degenerate gambler.

Now, the 'real' poker player, who has studied, played thousands of hands, looks at this and says.. "WHAT THE HELL! There's no reason for home to have shove called my standard raise from the button. THIS IS RIGGED"

Now, the person that understands statistics and human behavior, can say that it's possible to flop quads with any two hole cards, and that some people are gamblers, and that people tend to only remember the time they LOST in this situation, and not so much the times they won.

 

[BundesBurger]

It is not rigged. What it is is looser. To play in a casino, you have to go there, register, get chips, get a table, see your opponents, feel the chips in your hand. People tend to tighten up.

Online... it's all a game, ethereal.. no chips, no faces, no real cards,
"meh... I'm gonna shove my 38o and see what happens... Oh! quads... yay." - says the random degenerate gambler.

Now, the 'real' poker player, who has studied, played thousands of hands, looks at this and says.. "WHAT THE HELL! There's no reason for home to have shove called my standard raise from the button. THIS IS RIGGED"

Now, the person that understands statistics and human behavior, can say that it's possible to flop quads with any two hole cards, and that some people are gamblers, and that people tend to only remember the time they LOST in this situation, and not so much the times they won.

So you admit that online poker is pure bingo because of your opponents! Why should you play online too devil when it has nothing to do with 'real poker' and is a pure game of chance ??? Then I can play slot machine right away!

 

[AllenKll]

So you admit that online poker is pure bingo because of your opponents! Why should you play online too devil when it has nothing to do with 'real poker' and is a pure game of chance ??? Then I can play slot machine right away!

Not all the players are degens. It depends on your level of play. You're going to see it A lot in freerolls, and as you move up to cash money, you'll see it slightly less In .01/.02, etc.. and when you get up to 200/400 it's pretty rare, because there you're playing with more serious players.. and tournament wise, when you're up past $100 buyins then you can better see the solid players vs the degens.

 

[Ice Wolf]

Sites are going to get their money. I have made a little money on True and went to the casino to try to add a few more bucks by playing blackjack and 8 hands in a row the dealer gets 20 or 21. Only two times they got 21 was when I had 20. It's frustrating as hell but in certain hands and in things like this its obvious that its not any thing close to random like they claim.

 

[BundesBurger]

Not all the players are degens. It depends on your level of play. You're going to see it A lot in freerolls, and as you move up to cash money, you'll see it slightly less In .01/.02, etc.. and when you get up to 200/400 it's pretty rare, because there you're playing with more serious players.. and tournament wise, when you're up past $100 buyins then you can better see the solid players vs the degens.

but that's wrong, in my experience it doesn't matter what limits you play. play midi level and it's the same! Bingo Bingo Bingo

 

[thunderstormsud]

It seems rigged but i think it is not.
Also live i see strange moves, calls and so on.

 

[BundesBurger]

It seems rigged but i think it is not.
Also live i see strange moves, calls and so on.

So you see as many live decisions as you make on the river as online?
I don't and I play a lot live.

 

[thunderstormsud]

So you see as many live decisions as you make on the river as online?
I don't and I play a lot live.

Online seems far more rigged because you play much more hands, but also live the % off strange calls seems the same as online.

Just play with your head or do not play at all

 

[BundesBurger]

Online seems far more rigged because you play much more hands, but also live the % off strange calls seems the same as online.

Just play with your head or do not play at all

1000 hands remain 1000 hands! no matter what time the hands are played! If after 5 days I compare 1000 live decisions with 1000 online decisions that I have after 10 hours, many more decisions will only be made online at the river. Everyone really notices that.

 

[BundesBurger]

soon we have light in the dark, finally

with a little patience, I can bring light into the dark soon.
i have a friend here in germany who works as a developer in the online poker industry.
he has already told me a lot, but I had to promise not to go public.
He will soon quit one of the largest online poker providers because of depression and suicidal thoughts because he wants it to stop.
He has already saved a lot of prisive and informative material on HDD and is currently writing a book together with a large twitch poker streamer (from the PS teampro).
It will be published by Verlagsgruppe Dornier in a few months.
It will educate people about how online poker is played, bots, manipulated, etc.
He takes a very big risk with it, but he accepts that.
It is more important that the players finally know and can then decide whether they want to continue playing or not.
The book will also be released in the USA soon. I think that will help everyone

 

[PackinPat]

Okay, here is maybe a more simple analogy describing how a computer program could cheat at Texas Hold-Em.
Think of a hold-em game at a table of six players. The dealer shuffles a deck of cards and does a really thorough job. But after shuffling the deck, the dealer sneakily flips her thumb across the deck so that she gets a quick peak at every card. This dealer has super-human memory and is able to remember every card and the order of every card she just saw. So, now she deals the top twelve cards as the hole cards and she knows what those cards are and who will get them. She also knows the next three cards are the flop and because of her perfect memory, she knows what those cards are too. And she knows the next two cards are the turn and river and what those cards are. But our special dealer shares another power. Telepathy. And she is helping two other players who share her telepathic power. She can pass the card information on to these players. These two players can now make all their decisions, even coordinate their bets using the knowledge of what cards other players are holding and what cards are coming on the flop, turn and river.
This is essentially what a computer program running a rigged poker game could do. It generates a randomly shuffled deck. But it essentially “peaks” at the deck before it is dealt. It knows the order of every card in this random deck. Using this information, and how many players are in the game, it knows all the hole cards and who will get them and it knows what the flop, turn and river cards will be. And it shares this information with ai/bot players who are programmed to use this information to calculate decisions about whether to fold, check or bet and even how much to bet. It potentially gives the house a massive advantage in manipulating games.
Again, not saying whether this kind of cheating actually happens, only saying that it is remarkably simple to program and potentially hugely profitable.

Yes the program can be controlled but are they? I hate that I'm saying this but there must be oversight or controls to not let this happen

 

[Tero]

with a little patience, I can bring light into the dark soon.
i have a friend here in germany who works as a developer in the online poker industry.
he has already told me a lot, but I had to promise not to go public.
He will soon quit one of the largest online poker providers because of depression and suicidal thoughts because he wants it to stop.
He has already saved a lot of prisive and informative material on HDD and is currently writing a book together with a large twitch poker streamer (from the PS teampro).
It will be published by Verlagsgruppe Dornier in a few months.
It will educate people about how online poker is played, bots, manipulated, etc.
He takes a very big risk with it, but he accepts that.
It is more important that the players finally know and can then decide whether they want to continue playing or not.
The book will also be released in the USA soon. I think that will help everyone

Well, keep us posted if and when such a book sees the light of day.

 

[TeUnit]

Rigged is like the earth being flat, if it was rigged or if the earth was flat it would be very easy to prove. HUDs would be able show that it was rigged and if the earth was flat cats would have already pushed everything over the edge.

 

[InfiniteHelios]

Random number generators aren't 100% random.

Never seen a more accurate description of how RNG works. Even though we could think so, random isn't as "random" as we'd like it to be.

I do think online gambling is mostly rigged, but it would be pretty hard to rig a 10k+ tournament. Someone would notice.

 

[igroksash]

When you play poker at a table with friends, such as the fantastic hands in online poker, I did not see when on July 2 7moves AA I think the most likely sfaltsifitsirovanny

 

[BundesBurger]

Rigged is like the earth being flat, if it was rigged or if the earth was flat it would be very easy to prove. HUDs would be able show that it was rigged and if the earth was flat cats would have already pushed everything over the edge.

A HUD cannot prove it, it is impossible. That much is absolutely certain.