Folding AA on my very first hand in a tournament

theskillzdatklls · Jul 21, 2008

as far as im concerned, there is too much luck and variability. getting 1500 chips in ahead pre-flop on the first hand is a.ok with me. Most likely you have a 50ish % chance to quad up.. just about some of the best STANDARD odds you can get in poker (... many better ones exist but they are less common). obv many other situations get you in better spots, but as far as im concerned, thats solid enough imo.. and a good return on investment in the long run.. which is what is ultimately important.

never fold aa preflop ever unless you are the pro of all pros early in the game as you mentioned - which is not likely the case for most anyone here - or if you are comfortably in the lead on a satellite bubble.
GL

ABorges · Jul 22, 2008

Why the hell hasn't this thread died already? God, poker is a massive gray area with very few blacks and whites... this is one of the few very obvious decisions and people are still defending a clearly retarded play. Instead of thinking about situations that really matter a question like this gets 100+ posts. Awesome.

cortney88 · Jul 22, 2008

WOW, I honestly don't think I could ever fold pocket aces, but then again I have lost with pocket aces before, you never know what cards can come up.

theokiedokie · Jul 22, 2008

honestly i would never muck aa preflop ya with multiple people in the pots your chances of winning go down but the amount to be won makes up for the percentage of winning going down. Oh and in a tourny a lot of people say they would fold to move up in the money. Not a chance with me regaardless of the buyin you got to play 4 the win

jaymfc · Jul 22, 2008

OK what's my move ? ALL IN BABY

what's my move next time ? ALL IN BABY

pokerjes · Jul 22, 2008

call it crazy but i dont care what i have i fold the first hand and possibly the second just to see what the tadle is like crazy or not i would have done the same to early in tourny for that aces win 70% of the time not all the time and gl at the tables

coljung · Jul 22, 2008

No way anyone is folding AA first hand of the tourney, even KK would be almost impossible to fold.

Now, i do hate it when i get 10s, Js, or Qs first hand of a tourney.

trask23 · Jul 23, 2008

i like your style pokerjes, all these pot crazy monsters just cant stand the thought of laying down the rockets,. first hand or two like you atleast some consideration should be put into the matter not an instant all in

zachvac · Jul 23, 2008

trask23 said:
i like your style pokerjes, all these pot crazy monsters just cant stand the thought of laying down the rockets,. first hand or two like you atleast some consideration should be put into the matter not an instant all in

First hand, someone hands you money and you say no thanks? That's a great idea.

pokerjes · Jul 23, 2008

trask23 said:
i like your style pokerjes, all these pot crazy monsters just cant stand the thought of laying down the rockets,. first hand or two like you atleast some consideration should be put into the matter not an instant all in

a skilled poker player will lay down a monster (not that i am) if it just doesnt fill right ive watched top pros lay down the best hand because it didnt fill right to them first or second hand in a tourny (i know freeroll) why take the risk what if you was at vegas 10k buyin first hand would you still take that risk (aces win 70%) probably not and with that said think smart and good luck at the tables

hooter54 · Jul 23, 2008

No hesitation, number one rule in no limit, get your money in with the best of it. First hand or last it doesn't matter.

ABorges · Jul 23, 2008

a skilled poker player will lay down a monster (not that i am) if it just doesnt fill right ive watched top pros lay down the best hand because it didnt fill right to them first or second hand in a tourny (i know freeroll) why take the risk what if you was at vegas 10k buyin first hand would you still take that risk (aces win 70%) probably not and with that said think smart and good luck at the tables

I'm not sure if you're joking or not but I'll bite. No player that has the first clue about poker is going to fold AA preflop no matter what hand of the tourney it is. And it's 80% against most hands, if 70 is not enough for you... I'm sorry to say this but I believe brutal honesty is essential here: if you were not joking you are the last person anyone should ask for hand advice and you shouldn't offer any until you know what you're doing. This is my last post on this thread, I'll just keep hoping it dies somehow.

OzExorcist · Jul 24, 2008

trask23 said:
i like your style pokerjes, all these pot crazy monsters just cant stand the thought of laying down the rockets,. first hand or two like you atleast some consideration should be put into the matter not an instant all in

Agree 100%, this isn't an instacall*

* need to pause for at least long enough to fistpump, IMO

wagon596 · Jul 24, 2008

right move

with more than two callers,,,,,,usually pocket aces want hold up. some body will catch a hand,,,not sure if i could get away from it tho

ysmisc · Jul 24, 2008

Poker is about reading the opponent and about statistics - In this case no one to read as it is first hand and the statistics is in your favor - So I think - Go all in

lizasback · Jul 25, 2008

what if he would of said, if he had called he would of lost, would that of changed some of the opinions here, i think it would of !

Jack Daniels · Jul 25, 2008

ABorges said:
No player that has the first clue about poker is going to fold AA preflop no matter what hand of the tourney it is.

That sounds like a completely generic statement without any thought behind it (Ooooh AA, poooooosh!!). I think if you go back and actually read the thread that you'll find there are a couple of very rare circumstances where folding AA preflop could be done.

Now in terms of the original question in this thread, yes, folding AA preflop was wrong and that's been discussed and shown quite well.

nunyuz · Jul 25, 2008

I just lost again (just a few min. ago) on AA in a 50 cent SNG. AA v 10's we were both all-in. Of course there was a 10 on the river. I'm losing faith in them "bullies". I guess I'm with you Red, FOLD them dam things!!! lol
******The way I look at it is that there is always another hand if you fold. If you go all in and lose your done.

OzExorcist · Jul 26, 2008

nunyuz said:
I just lost again (just a few min. ago) on AA in a 50 cent SNG. AA v 10's we were both all-in. Of course there was a 10 on the river. I'm losing faith in them "bullies". I guess I'm with you Red, FOLD them dam things!!! lol
******The way I look at it is that there is always another hand if you fold. If you go all in and lose your done.

Four words for you:

Don't - be - results - oriented

mimi · Jul 26, 2008

I can't see myself folding AA preflop against 3 players and considering the pot odds for all the money out there. I would have gone all in. I agree with you that you should play the tourneys the same no matter what the buy in is, but that's how I would do it at all levels. IF it was a post-flop question, and there was some very serious danger on the flop, possible straight or flush or a big pair on the board with no ace, then I might consider folding at that point. I have got to see the flop first, though, with pocket aces though at any price, even all my chippies.

lizasback said:
what if he would of said, if he had called he would of lost, would that of changed some of the opinions here, i think it would of !

It wouldn't change my opinion. Like I said, I have got to see the flop with pocket aces at any price, even all in. That's the risk you run with going all in preflop, but you have to consider that you have the very best STARTING hand there is, so why fold that??? If I start a tourney off folding the best starting hand, my mental state will be messed up the rest of the day and I will try to compensate, and surely be on tilt. Just can't make myself do it.

pokerjes · Jul 26, 2008

It wouldn't change my opinion. Like I said, I have got to see the flop with pocket aces at any price, even all in. That's the risk you run with going all in preflop, but you have to consider that you have the very best STARTING hand there is, so why fold that??? If I start a tourney off folding the best starting hand, my mental state will be messed up the rest of the day and I will try to compensate, and surely be on tilt. Just can't make myself do it.[/quote]

key word STARTING HAND dont get me wrong i will push with A A but not the first stage of a tourny expecially a freeroll where you have all the donks that will call anything and 8 out of 10 they catch 2 pr or a str8 then your A A looks like a pr of 2s imo time to push A A is mid to late tourny where you might catch someone trying to hold on (been there) :smile:

iMaGiN. · Jul 26, 2008

If playing by proper BRM, you shouldn't be worried about the entering price for the MTT. In that case, I would without thinking twice call with Aces all in preflop even if the entire table went all.

teksmith · Jul 27, 2008

While you do have a tougher time against 3 hands than one you still have to have the best hand right now and are getting great pot odds to call

pokerjdud · Jul 27, 2008

terrible fold. point blank, if you have the best hand preflop u go regardless, if u get outdrawn theres nothing you could do, never be scared to call a bunch of money slingers with the king of kings.

rivertapped · Jul 27, 2008

Theoretically, you should play the same regardless of the buy-in.

But in practice, it's not always true. In a $3 tourney you may well be up against say, KK, TT, and QsJs. Many players will risk it all with these hands in a low buy in tourney. Even worse.

In this case you would be a 54/45 favorite to quadruple up. A better than 50/50 chance getting 4 to 1 on your money. Gotta call.

In a higher buy-in tourney, I'd go with the old adage, "the first all-in may have aces, the second all-in probably has aces, the third all-in does have aces.

Then you're looking at a chop at best and may be able to muck it.

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