*** January's Juxtaposed Pokahz Chat ***

Bluffs and early stages of tournaments are like dinosaurs and candy floss Chris.

Don't really go together.

eNTy said:

Neteller is soooo unhelpful !

They require a utility bill with me name and address on to let me upgrade to an extended account. Since I am 18 and live with my parents obviously all the bills are made out to my father. So I scanned one of his landline phone bills with his name and our address on and gave it to them.

They said they need one with a name matching to my account name. So I emailed support to say that I live with my parents so I dont have bills with my name on etc.

Then after a week+ they reply with a direct copy of the text on their site saying what I need to supply, which I already knew.

Bastards..

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Yeah they are a real piece of work. Before I purchased a 3-in-1 printer/scanner I had a similar experience with them when I wanted to upgrade.
So I went to a photo/digi photo store and paid for some ID and utility bills to be copied and mailed to me. Got those and then sent them on to Neteller.
But of course the ID scan/copy wasn't good enough for them as they said it didn't show the complete ID card ( Which it did )
A few more e-mails were exchanged until I told them to stop wasting my time and that I was going elsewhere. I told them to send me back all of my personal details/ID/Utility bill scan e-mails ( not that that would of made any difference but I just wanted to be as ridiculous as them ) and told them their security procedures were far to extreme for a mere upgrade.
Obv I don't use Neteller.

EDIT: Bastards.

Irexes said:

Bluffs and early stages of tournaments are like dinosaurs and candy floss Chris.

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I c-bet the flop, followed through on the turn, got min-raised which I called (getting 4:1 odds with half a stack behind) and didn't hit on the river.

I wouldn't call this a major bluff at all. But why would you advise against it in the early stages? Do people call down too much?

I really wish I could run good for a while at 200nl instead of getting butt f****d on the river every time! This month is so crazy I wanna put my head in a microwave!

Chris_TC said:

? Then what am I supposed to do with the nut flush draw? Check/fold?
I c-bet the flop, followed through on the turn, got min-raised which I called (getting 4:1 odds with half a stack behind) and didn't hit on the river.

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Was being facetious Chris, sorry though folds from people who have a piece of any flop are very rare indeed in the early stages.

What you're supposed to do is exactly what you did. Get in an impossible situation where you are forced to call off or bet a big chunk of chips versus some tool who wouldn't recognise value if it hit him in the face.

Then find yourself crippled and start shoving any old crap

The wonderful world of tournaments.

Irexes said:

Was being facetious Chris, sorry though folds from people who have a piece of any flop are very rare indeed in the early stages.

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No need to be sorry. I had edited my post because I though my reaction sounded a little rude, lol

I don't have much tournament experience even though I started out as an SNG grinder, so your input is certainly appreciated.

Chris_TC said:

I c-bet the flop, followed through on the turn, got min-raised which I called (getting 4:1 odds with half a stack behind) and didn't hit on the river.

I wouldn't call this a major bluff at all. But why would you advise against it in the early stages? Do people call down too much?

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Oops, quoted your original post before edit.

Playing draws aggressively in the early stages is tricky if any of the value is in fold equity as it's so hard to get people to laydown any top pair type hand. On the other hand the lack of folding is the key to building a stack.

Generally the plan is to keep pots relatively small (compared to ring) with draws without becoming a calling station and losing what equity there is. It is so opponent dependant though.




In other news, I have mad reading skills (or am such a tightass, one or the other)

PokerStars Game #23996121456: Tournament #132775752, $40+$4 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/01/17 13:50:18 ET
Table '132775752 14' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: kokynho (7143 in chips)
Seat 2: pumagris (19381 in chips)
Seat 3: Casinobob61 (13392 in chips)
Seat 4: zglazer (8992 in chips)
Seat 5: Irexes (52610 in chips)
Seat 6: huricane83 (37167 in chips)
kokynho: posts the ante 50
pumagris: posts the ante 50
Casinobob61: posts the ante 50
zglazer: posts the ante 50
Irexes: posts the ante 50
huricane83: posts the ante 50
zglazer: posts small blind 300
Irexes: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irexes [Ks Ac]
huricane83: folds
kokynho: raises 893 to 1493
pumagris: folds
Casinobob61: raises 3907 to 5400
zglazer: folds
Irexes: folds
kokynho: raises 1693 to 7093 and is all-in
Casinobob61: calls 1693
*** FLOP *** [4s 8c Ts]
*** TURN *** [4s 8c Ts] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [4s 8c Ts Jh] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kokynho: shows [Ah As] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
Casinobob61: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
kokynho collected 15386 from pot

ahh crap, just saw you responded while I was writing the last post and we're now locked in some overlapping post thing for ever and ever, anyway, no offense taken and all that

Irexes said:

Playing draws aggressively in the early stages is tricky if any of the value is in fold equity as it's so hard to get people to laydown any top pair type hand. On the other hand the lack of folding is the key to building a stack.

Generally the plan is to keep pots relatively small (compared to ring) with draws without becoming a calling station and losing what equity there is. It is so opponent dependant though.

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Thanks, that makes perfect sense!

Irexes said:

ahh crap, just saw you responded while I was writing the last post and we're now locked in some overlapping post thing for ever and ever, anyway, no offense taken and all that

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Haha, I'll just stop posting for a while

PokerStars Game #23997068780: Tournament #132775752, $40+$4 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2009/01/17 14:19:24 ET
Table '132775752 14' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: theedouble*d (52761 in chips)
Seat 2: pumagris (26866 in chips)
Seat 3: manumilitari (128435 in chips)
Seat 4: zglazer (11618 in chips)
Seat 5: Irexes (43410 in chips)
Seat 6: huricane83 (16242 in chips)
theedouble*d: posts the ante 100
pumagris: posts the ante 100
manumilitari: posts the ante 100
zglazer: posts the ante 100
Irexes: posts the ante 100
huricane83: posts the ante 100
theedouble*d: posts small blind 500
pumagris: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Irexes [Jc Jd]
manumilitari: folds
zglazer: folds
Irexes: raises 2000 to 3000
huricane83: calls 3000
theedouble*d: calls 2500
pumagris: raises 4000 to 7000
Irexes: raises 36310 to 43310 and is all-in
huricane83: folds
theedouble*d: folds
pumagris: calls 19766 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (16544) returned to Irexes
*** FLOP *** [7s 3c As]
manumilitari said, "lol"
*** TURN *** [7s 3c As] 4♠
*** RIVER *** [7s 3c As 4s] J♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pumagris: shows [7d Ac] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
Irexes: shows [Jc Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Total pot 60132 | Rake 0

OOOOOOOOOOOOeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

3rd with 24 left, $44 6 max

http://chucktscanadiandream.blogspot.com/2009/01/15184-hands.html

First update since the 27th, sorry to any readers

open pole:
play 5k hands of .25/.50 FR
or
play 2 hours of live poaker?

vanquish said:

open pole:
play 5k hands of .25/.50 FR
or
play 2 hours of live poaker?

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2hours live....
And 5K hand when u come home

sindri_93 said:

2hours live....
And 5K hand when u come home

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not possible, goin out around 6

Irexes said:

3rd with 24 left, $44 6 max

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I'm railing you, don't disappoint me

vanquish said:

not possible, goin out around 6

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Then 2hours of live...

internet is bacccckkkkk!

Chris_TC said:

I'm railing you, don't disappoint me

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Cheers, making a video of it, so the world can see my awsum weaktightness

Irexes said:

Cheers, making a video of it, so the world can see my awsum weaktightness

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Oh, cool. Definitely gonna watch.

vanquish said:

open pole:
play 5k hands of .25/.50 FR
or
play 2 hours of live poaker?

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live poaker

Man Rex, I missed your final hand! I was literally watching your table when I got dealt KK. Got it in vs. AK, held my breath and doubled up. Then I look over at your table and see that it's been closed

Died in 13th at the hands of the table maniac

TT < K6 after a 664 flop, got it in with an Ace on the turn, which may have been daft, but I suspect he's shoving the scarecard a lot anyway with air. I wuz wrong

Will publish video once it's finished.

So, I was wondering. Do you play multi-table tournaments as your main game? Or do you play cash also? Or SNGs?

It's awesome that you make tourny vids Irexes.

There should be more out there