*** January's Juxtaposed Pokahz Chat ***

gl Chris!

edit: I'm bad luck...

in other news, plo is teh fun.

And TT < AA. I will never play a f-ing donkament again. 5 hours, 26th place and less than two buy-ins of profit. No wonder I hate these things.

Somebody wanna play NL50 headsup? I'm tilted.

plo?

Not that you will want to hear this but...



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HAND #2
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
SeanyJ (SB): $44.40 (177.6 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
MP: $34.55 (138.2 bb)
CO: $37.90 (151.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: SeanyJ is SB with J A
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, SeanyJ raises to $3, BB folds, BTN calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.25) T 7 3 (2 players)
SeanyJ bets $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

Turn: ($15.25) 8 (2 players)
SeanyJ bets $9.50, BTN calls $9.50

River: ($34.25) 3 (2 players)
SeanyJ bets $21.50, BTN calls $7.65 and is all-in

Results: $49.55 pot ($2 rake)
SeanyJ showed J A (a pair of Threes) and lost (-$24.65 net)
BTN showed 2 2 (two pairs, Threes and Twos) and won $47.55 ($22.90 net)

Turn card is disgusting to try and double barrel since villain will so often have at least a pair + SD type hand. Should really check turn here then check/fold river without improving. Vs a more aggro player who will float turn, etc. it would be much better to check shove the turn since you'll have alot of fold equity and have lots of equity in the pot with 2 overs, GS and FD. But double barreling is not good imo since you almost never ever have any sort of fold equity after that turn. And obviously you should just c/f river, not really sure what on earth that was since villain is never folding anything and any missed draws that you beat aren't going to shove river.



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HAND #5
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP: $32.80 (131.2 bb)
CO: $9.30 (37.2 bb)
BTN: $25 (100 bb)
SeanyJ (SB): $47.15 (188.6 bb)
BB: $58 (232 bb)

Pre-Flop: SeanyJ is SB with Q Q
3 folds, SeanyJ raises to $1, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2) 2 9 3 (2 players)
SeanyJ bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5) 6 (2 players)
SeanyJ bets $4.25, BB calls $4.25

River: ($13.50) 5 (2 players)
SeanyJ bets $11, BB raises to $22, SeanyJ calls $11

Results: $57.50 pot ($2 rake)
BB showed 4 2 (a straight, Two to Six) and won $55.50 ($26.75 net)
SeanyJ mucked Q Q (a pair of Queens) and lost (-$28.75 net)

Pretty easy fold really since this is almost never a bluff and never worse than 2 pair for value. Bet-calling this river except vs a pretty crazy fish is really bad. And villain is almost certainly a very loose passive fish, in which case this is absolutely absolutely never a bluff nor value that you can beat.

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HAND #6
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SeanyJ (BTN): $34.65 (138.6 bb)
SB: $24.40 (97.6 bb)
BB: $23.60 (94.4 bb)
MP: $25.70 (102.8 bb)
CO: $25.55 (102.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: SeanyJ is BTN with A A
MP folds, CO raises to $0.75, SeanyJ calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) T 3 8 (2 players)
CO bets $1.25, SeanyJ calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.35) 5 (2 players)
CO bets $3, SeanyJ calls $3

River: ($10.35) 6 (2 players)
CO bets $20.55 and is all-in, SeanyJ calls $20.55

Results: $51.45 pot ($2 rake)
CO showed 6 6 (three of a kind, Sixes) and won $49.45 ($23.90 net)
SeanyJ mucked A A (a pair of Aces) and lost (-$25.55 net)

This is horrifically played - just so bad on every single street. River is always a fold especially with how badly pre-river was butchered. If villain is such a maniac that this call could ever be profitable then what on earth are you doing preflop and on the flop? The board just goes to absolute hell on turn/river.

ChuckTs said:

plo?

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LOL, okay, but only one table. I've never played PLO

well I only just started an hour ago, could be fun

can't play long though...

search me, I'm on a table.

I'm at table Meriones IV

I can't dodge teh flushdraws.
Is isn't it weird to check raise nut flush draws ?

MP2: $3.75 (15 bb)
Hero (MP3): $35.75 (143 bb)
CO: $23.65 (94.6 bb)
BTN: $56.70 (226.8 bb)
SB: $50.25 (201 bb)
BB: $39.90 (159.6 bb)
UTG+1: $34.47 (137.9 bb)
UTG+2: $5 (20 bb)
MP1: $23.45 (93.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with K K
MP2 posts BB out of position, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 checks, Hero raises to $1.40, 3 folds, BB calls $1.15, UTG+1 calls $1.15, MP2 folds

Flop: ($4.60) J 5 7 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero raises to $34.35 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $23.07 and is all-in

Turn: ($70.74) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($70.74) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $70.74 pot ($3 rake)
villain had Ac3c

eNTy said:

I can't dodge teh flushdraws.
Is isn't it weird to check raise nut flush draws ?

MP2: $3.75 (15 bb)
Hero (MP3): $35.75 (143 bb)
CO: $23.65 (94.6 bb)
BTN: $56.70 (226.8 bb)
SB: $50.25 (201 bb)
BB: $39.90 (159.6 bb)
UTG+1: $34.47 (137.9 bb)
UTG+2: $5 (20 bb)
MP1: $23.45 (93.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with K

K

MP2 posts BB out of position, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 checks, Hero raises to $1.40, 3 folds, BB calls $1.15, UTG+1 calls $1.15, MP2 folds

Flop: ($4.60) J

5

7

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero raises to $34.35 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $23.07 and is all-in

Turn: ($70.74) 8

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($70.74) T

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $70.74 pot ($3 rake)
villain had Ac3c

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Nasty.....
What happened to your break?

First day back all week, and after a KK<AA AIPF earlier today, I just had a 45 min, +3 BI session. That was fun.

eNTy said:

I can't dodge teh flushdraws.
Is isn't it weird to check raise nut flush draws ?

MP2: $3.75 (15 bb)
Hero (MP3): $35.75 (143 bb)
CO: $23.65 (94.6 bb)
BTN: $56.70 (226.8 bb)
SB: $50.25 (201 bb)
BB: $39.90 (159.6 bb)
UTG+1: $34.47 (137.9 bb)
UTG+2: $5 (20 bb)
MP1: $23.45 (93.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with K

K

MP2 posts BB out of position, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 checks, Hero raises to $1.40, 3 folds, BB calls $1.15, UTG+1 calls $1.15, MP2 folds

Flop: ($4.60) J

5

7

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero raises to $34.35 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $23.07 and is all-in

Turn: ($70.74) 8

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($70.74) T

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $70.74 pot ($3 rake)
villain had Ac3c

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arent u suppose to be on a break? and why havent u dropped back down to 10nl?

Man, PLO is a fun game. I like

I swear, today sucks.

MP: $100 (200 bb)
CO: $55.80 (111.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $99.75 (199.5 bb)
SB: $136.60 (273.2 bb)
BB: $15.70 (31.4 bb)
UTG: $50.31 (100.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K J
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.75, CO folds, Hero calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 2 6 9 (2 players)
MP bets $3.12, Hero calls $3.12

Turn: ($10.49) 8 (2 players)
MP bets $9.99, Hero raises to $35, MP calls $25.01

River: ($80.49) A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $59.88 and is all-in

Is that bluff okay?

plo meh be teh fun

but HU PLO8 is teh sex

Chris_TC said:

And TT < AA. I will never play a f-ing donkament again. 5 hours, 26th place and less than two buy-ins of profit. No wonder I hate these things.

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GG Chris.

6 month MTT downswings are the best fun you can have in poker

some fun hands all from yesterday. didn't even bother with the super standard aipf 80/20s and 75/25s, save for one 80/20 that pissed me off a lot

note the pro-like play of my opponents in many of these hands

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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 20 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP1: 2,440 (12.2 bb)
MP2: 2,555 (12.8 bb)
BTN: 2,735 (13.7 bb)
SB: 815 (4.1 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,220 (6.1 bb)
MP3: 3,055 (15.3 bb)
CO: 2,180 (10.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with K K
4 folds, BTN raises to 400, SB folds, Hero raises to 1,200 and is all-in, BTN calls 800

Flop: (2,640) J Q T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (2,640) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (2,640) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: 2,640 pot
Hero showed K K (a pair of Kings) and lost (-1,220 net)
BTN showed 9 K (a straight, Nine to King) and won 2,640 (1,420 net)



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HAND #2
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 10 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: 1,500 (75 bb)
CO: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
BTN: 1,500 (75 bb)
SB: 1,870 (93.5 bb)
BB: 1,140 (57 bb)
UTG: 1,500 (75 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with A A
UTG folds, Hero raises to 80, 7 folds, BB raises to 160, Hero raises to 400, BB raises to 1,140 and is all-in, Hero calls 740

Flop: (2,290) 6 2 T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (2,290) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (2,290) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 2,290 pot
BB showed A 9 (a flush, Ace high) and won 2,290 (1,150 net)
Hero showed A A (a pair of Aces) and lost (-1,140 net)



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HAND #3
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 10 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: 1,500 (75 bb)
CO: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
BTN: 1,530 (76.5 bb)
SB: 1,620 (81 bb)
BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
Hero (UTG): 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,400 (70 bb)
UTG+2: 1,480 (74 bb)
MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP2: 1,480 (74 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to 80, 3 folds, MP2 calls 80, 3 folds, SB calls 70, BB folds

Flop: (260) 6 8 T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 160, MP2 raises to 1,400 and is all-in, SB folds, Hero calls 1,240

Turn: (3,060) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (3,060) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 3,060 pot
Hero showed A A (two pairs, Aces and Tens) and lost (-1,480 net)
MP2 showed A T (three of a kind, Tens) and won 3,060 (1,580 net)



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HAND #4
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 10 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG+2: 1,740 (58 bb)
MP1: 1,480 (49.3 bb)
MP2: 1,430 (47.7 bb)
MP3: 1,590 (53 bb)
CO: 1,595 (53.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): 1,465 (48.8 bb)
SB: 1,320 (44 bb)
BB: 1,350 (45 bb)
UTG: 1,530 (51 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (50 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K K
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to 60, 2 folds, MP2 raises to 180, 2 folds, Hero calls 180, 3 folds

Flop: (465) J 4 6 (2 players)
MP2 bets 360, Hero calls 360

Turn: (1,185) 8 (2 players)
MP2 bets 890 and is all-in, Hero calls 890

River: (2,965) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: 2,965 pot
MP2 showed J A (three of a kind, Jacks) and won 2,965 (1,535 net)
Hero showed K K (two pairs, Kings and Jacks) and lost (-1,430 net)



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HAND #5
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 20 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: 2,940 (14.7 bb)
SB: 1,605 (8 bb)
BB: 1,540 (7.7 bb)
MP1: 1,205 (6 bb)
Hero (MP2): 3,725 (18.6 bb)
MP3: 1,645 (8.2 bb)
CO: 2,340 (11.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with A A
MP1 raises to 1,185 and is all-in, Hero raises to 3,705 and is all-in, 5 folds

Flop: (2,810) 2 K 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (2,810) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (2,810) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: 2,810 pot
MP1 showed 6 6 (a full house, Sixes full of Twos) and won 2,810 (1,605 net)
Hero showed A A (two pairs, Aces and Twos) and lost (-1,205 net)



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HAND #6
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 10 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG+2: 1,930 (96.5 bb)
MP1: 1,340 (67 bb)
MP2: 1,540 (77 bb)
MP3: 1,420 (71 bb)
CO: 1,530 (76.5 bb)
BTN: 1,420 (71 bb)
SB: 1,320 (66 bb)
BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
Hero (UTG): 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to 80, 8 folds, BB calls 60

Flop: (170) 5 9 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 120, BB raises to 360, Hero calls 240

Turn: (890) 2 (2 players)
BB bets 400, Hero raises to 1,060 and is all-in, BB calls 660 and is all-in

River: (3,010) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 3,010 pot
BB showed J J (three of a kind, Jacks) and won 3,010 (1,510 net)
Hero showed K K (a pair of Kings) and lost (-1,500 net)



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HAND #7
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (25/50 blinds, 5 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: 430 (8.6 bb)
UTG+1: 2,275 (45.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): 2,900 (58 bb)
MP2: 1,295 (25.9 bb)
MP3: 595 (11.9 bb)
CO: 1,650 (33 bb)
BTN: 1,455 (29.1 bb)
SB: 1,470 (29.4 bb)
BB: 2,930 (58.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with K K
2 folds, Hero raises to 150, MP2 calls 150, 5 folds

Flop: (420) 3 J T (2 players)
Hero bets 240, MP2 calls 240

Turn: (900) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets 900, MP2 calls 900 and is all-in

River: (2,700) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: 2,700 pot
Hero showed K K (two pairs, Kings and Threes) and lost (-1,295 net)
MP2 showed Q A (two pairs, Aces and Threes) and won 2,700 (1,405 net)



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HAND #8
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 10 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP3: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
CO: 1,430 (71.5 bb)
BTN: 1,540 (77 bb)
SB: 1,420 (71 bb)
BB: 1,530 (76.5 bb)
UTG: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,810 (90.5 bb)
UTG+2: 1,280 (64 bb)
Hero (MP1): 1,500 (75 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to 80, 2 folds, CO calls 80, 3 folds

Flop: (190) 8 J 6 (2 players)
Hero bets 140, CO raises to 280, Hero raises to 1,420 and is all-in, CO calls 1,070 and is all-in

Turn: (2,890) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (2,890) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 2,890 pot
Hero showed K K (a pair of Kings) and lost (-1,430 net)
CO showed A J (two pairs, Aces and Jacks) and won 2,890 (1,460 net)



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HAND #9
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 10 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG+2: 1,730 (86.5 bb)
MP1: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
MP2: 1,460 (73 bb)
Hero (MP3): 1,470 (73.5 bb)
CO: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
BTN: 1,580 (79 bb)
SB: 1,480 (74 bb)
BB: 1,530 (76.5 bb)
UTG: 1,520 (76 bb)
UTG+1: 1,270 (63.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with K A
2 folds, UTG+2 calls 20, 2 folds, Hero raises to 80, 3 folds, BB calls 60, UTG+2 calls 60

Flop: (250) Q J T (3 players)
BB bets 120, UTG+2 calls 120, Hero raises to 1,390 and is all-in, BB raises to 1,450 and is all-in, UTG+2 folds

Turn: (3,150) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (3,150) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 3,150 pot
BB showed Q J (a full house, Queens full of Jacks) and won 3,150 (1,680 net)
Hero showed K A (a straight, Ten to Ace) and lost (-1,470 net)



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HAND #10
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 15 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: 2,867 (19.1 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,335 (8.9 bb)
UTG: 3,850 (25.7 bb)
MP: 3,668 (24.5 bb)
CO: 1,065 (7.1 bb)
BTN: 2,215 (14.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG folds, MP raises to 300, 3 folds, Hero raises to 1,320 and is all-in, MP calls 1,020

Flop: (2,805) 6 K A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (2,805) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (2,805) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: 2,805 pot
Hero showed Q Q (three of a kind, Queens) and lost (-1,335 net)
MP showed T J (a flush, Ace high) and won 2,805 (1,470 net)



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HAND #11
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Poker Stars, $20.80 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 10 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: 1,480 (74 bb)
CO: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
BTN: 1,460 (73 bb)
SB: 1,560 (78 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,530 (76.5 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,480 (74 bb)
MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with J A
UTG calls 20, UTG+1 calls 20, 3 folds, MP3 calls 20, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (90) 3 7 T (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets 70, MP3 folds, Hero raises to 240, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls 170

Turn: (570) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets 300, UTG+1 raises to 1,270 and is all-in, Hero calls 940 and is all-in

River: (3,050) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 3,050 pot
Hero showed J A (a flush, Ace high) and lost (-1,500 net)
UTG+1 showed 7 7 (a full house, Sevens full of Threes) and won 3,050 (1,550 net)

down mad money again today

pantin007 said:

arent u suppose to be on a break? and why havent u dropped back down to 10nl?

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sindri_93 said:

Nasty.....
What happened to your break?

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Well I felt calm enough to give it a go. After all it was Saturday night, and the tables were loaded with fishies. I played well for over an hour, was even up a buyin like halfway through. I'm not mad or tilted or anything, guess this is pretty standard. And I just wanted to try some 25nl before dropping down for good it seems.

Also: This is what I'm talking about !

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fk i might just move up to .5/1 underrolled because everyone sux

combuboom said:

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god damn, looks like im going to have to play a shitload after my exams to pay for both of us yall

switch0723 said:

plo meh be teh fun

but HU PLO8 is teh sex

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Then what's DoN PLO?

eNTy said:

And I just wanted to try some 25nl before dropping down for good it seems.

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Plus I was rolled on Everest for 25nl. Operative word being was.

NLD Rex you do have mad skilllzzz

-300 playing 6-max (seriously wtf -250$ below EV)
+170 playing 2/4 & 1/2 stud 8
+40 playing HU Cash

Today is totally bizarro world. Hopefully another thousand hands tonight and I'll be kickin' A & takin' names.