Let's build some bankroll - who's with me?

pigpen02 · Dec 14, 2007

sms3484 said:
Well it's sort of day 1. I just arbitrarily picked today as day 1 because almost 1 year ago my friend gave me 20 dollars on PokerStars and in that time I've managed to get my BR up to $400, cash $200, and lose the rest back to the $20 starting point. So I figured today would be day 1 since I'm back at the start and new to CC! I might have actually posted yesterday as day 1 earlier in the thread but honestly I can't remember. All I know is tomorrow is Day 2 but I probably won't actually get to play really since I'll be out of town all day.

Do you guys actually count every day, even ones you don't play? Or do you count them like each week = 1 day?

You can start anywhere you want because there are no hard rules. You can record either each calendar day or each day you play since this is not a race but a tool for you to see how you are doing. If you look back in this thread, I cut off about three months of my early data because I had not been keeping strict records and was just playing around getting back into the swing of things after a year hiatus. The data I have left and graphed is for the last ~45 days where I was trying specifically to increase my bankroll.

My day is a calendar day because I am trying to get Full Tilt Poker Iron Man promotion status and you have to play 15 or 20 days in a month to get it. This month I missed the One-A-Day promotion because I was tied up away from home December 3rd

. That day (my day 34) I just recorded as zero change. Earlier I was only updating my posts every 4 or 5 days and showing that much data. Right now I am updating every day because the slope of my graph tickles me.

If I start losing, it may be a different story.

Chris_TC · Dec 14, 2007

My progress updates and graph skip days during which I haven't played.

Example: I played on day 28, didn't play on day 29, played on day 30. So the graph jumps from day 28 to day 30.

Lordleon · Dec 14, 2007

1st Day in Bankroll Management

Hi guys...
Yesterday i had startd my first day in trying to buidling my bankroll in online poker... hope i'll have more success this time with your help and better self dicsipline...!

I deposited 90$ to full tilt poker, played one HU game 10$=0.5 and won... went to 10player sit&go... my 77s were bitten against 55'

but im kinda used to it, so i dont mind ...

open onther 2 sit&go's 6ppl and 10ppl, was haveing good game, and than BOOOOOOM , i got disconeected and i think it there web was down too, and i can also see i got my money back on those sit & go's this morning, so i guess it wasn't just me...

either way... didn't really played much so-->

0 Day --> 100.00% (90.00$)
1st day --> 101.72% (91.55$)

Hope it will only grow

also if you guys have suggestions on what games i better off playing which sites etc... you welcome to comment!!! good luck!

Boltneck · Dec 14, 2007

Day 43: 289% (381.15)
Day 44: 299% (393.99)
Day 45: 307% (404.55)

Another unspectacular day, with nothing of great significance to report – other than passing the 300% barrier (which is symbolic more than meaningful).

Chris_TC · Dec 14, 2007

Progress Update

Day 44: 629% ($12,587)
Day 45: 679% ($13,574)
Day 46: 653% ($13,069)

I'm so upset right now. My bankroll would be roughly $700 higher than it is if I had not spent today's entire first session playing like a frickin donkey.

No, I was not on tilt, I simply played awfully. In fact, I don't think I've ever played this badly since I started out learning the rules of Hold'em.
In one situation, I made a big bet when a scare card hit, in another situation I totally overplayed a flush draw and ended up losing the entire stack.

When I later reviewed this session in Pokeroffice, I couldn't even believe it was me who played those hands. I don't know why I played so badly. I think I was not focussed and completely out of "the zone".
I took a break after the first session. I was down to $12,500. I lost about $700 due to being the biggest fish in the aquarium and about $350 to situations where I got unlucky.

After that, I spent the entire day trying to break even but couldn't quite do it. The fact that I got sucked out a couple of times and that people seemed to call triple-barrel-bluffs with underpairs but fold whenever I actually had the hand didn't help either.

Losing money due to variance is one thing. If I've played well then at least I know that I maximized the profit (or rather minimized the loss). But knowing that I played horribly really makes me mad at myself. This was so completely unnecessary :/
No, I don't expect to play every situation perfectly, I'm not a machine. But there's a difference between making a mistake now and then and turning into a brainless retard.

pigpen02 · Dec 14, 2007

Day 40 118.6%
Day 41 122.8%
Day 42 123.1%
Day 43 121.2%
Day 44 138.2%
Day 45 141.0%

Day 45; Fine day at Full Tilt Poker continuing the uptrend, just not as strong. I never expected to be playing (and winning) $3/$6 a month ago. Up until then my graph was almost a flat line. I owe it all to this thread.

I played the UB CC freeroll and won about one hand. I had a $26 ftp token, played a 45 seat SnG, lost that. I played two 600 point 9 seat SnGs and lost those. I really suck at NL.

I realized I needed to put my day values in addition to updating my graph. They are added.

Boltneck · Dec 15, 2007

Chris_TC said:
Losing money due to variance is one thing. If I've played well then at least I know that I maximized the profit (or rather minimized the loss). But knowing that I played horribly really makes me mad at myself. This was so completely unnecessary :/
No, I don't expect to play every situation perfectly, I'm not a machine. But there's a difference between making a mistake now and then and turning into a brainless retard.

Don't be too hard on yourself Chris. I know it's infuriating when you do not maintain the high standards that you have set for yourself, but keep in mind that even the absolute best in sport, business, entertainment or any other field have off days. Your progress has been spectacular, so one bad day out of 45 is excusable.

If it's any consolation (which of course it will not be) I find it reassuring to know that I am not the only one who (for reasons that can't be explained) does not always play as well as I know that I can.

I really suck at NL.

Me too! I have pretty much given up at NL. I know there is (potentially) more money to be made at NL if you are good enough and certainly more options (SnG, MTT, more players etc) but like you, I'll have to grind out an existance at FL.

The problem that I alway seem to have at NL (well, one of the problems at least) is knowing how much to bet. If I bet moderately on a monster hand, I win next to nothing. If I bet big I get no action. Then of course there's the "scare factor". It's not so bad in a tourney, but if I'm in a cash game and someone goes all-in, I tend to bottle out unless I have the nuts - even if I've got a good read on the villain, and know him / her to be a donk.

Chris_TC · Dec 15, 2007

pigpen02 said:
I never expected to be playing (and winning) $3/$6 a month ago. Up until then my graph was almost a flat line. I owe it all to this thread.

Now that's great to hear! Keep it up!

Boltneck said:
Don't be too hard on yourself Chris. I know it's infuriating when you do not maintain the high standards that you have set for yourself, but keep in mind that even the absolute best in sport, business, entertainment or any other field have off days. Your progress has been spectacular, so one bad day out of 45 is excusable.

You're absolutely right of course. Thanks for putting things into perspective

Also, after a good night's sleep I don't even feel yesterday's anger anymore. Will hit the tables later today.

Boltneck · Dec 15, 2007

Day 44: 299% (393.99)
Day 45: 307% (404.55)
Day 46: 327% (431.62)

I used to run away from maniacs quicker than Marion Jones on steroids, but I now seem to have learnt how to relieve them of their chips. I have to be honest and say that I’m not really sure what I’m doing differently (except maybe being a little more selective about the hands that I take them on with, and being even more aggressive than usual when I do go for it) but it’s certainly working. I was about 12 BB’s down when maniac entered the room. I hadn’t seen him before, but he came to the room with chips amounting to about 50 BB’s. When he left (minus all of his chips, most of which I had been happy to take from him) his stats were VP$IP 62.7, PFR 34.1 and PFAF 3.3 and my BR had gone from -12 BB to +33 BB.

Boltneck · Dec 16, 2007

Day 45: 307% (404.55)
Day 46: 327% (431.62)
Day 47: 333% (439.50)

What a day! My profit / loss was swinging wildly, and it has to be said that I was lucky to finish up in front as I didn’t play particularly well. The mistake that I consistently seem to make is over valuing overpairs when I’m raised by a loose / passive player on a safe looking board. I should know by now that if villain is seeing 60% of flops, he could have any 2 suited cards, A rag, probably any 2 unsuited connectors, small pairs etc. If said villain also has an AF of well below 1, and he raises he will have 2 pair as a minimum (most likely a set or better) but still I push with overpairs. When will I learn? I lost a few sizeable pots this way, but also twice got lucky with the river to turn an overpair into a set (beating 2 pair once, and a smaller set once). An 8 BB profit is okay, but I’d sooner break even knowing that I hadn’t made the same mistake yet again.

Chris_TC · Dec 16, 2007

Progress Update

Day 45: 679% ($13,574)
Day 46: 653% ($13,069)
Day 48: 688% ($13,753)

Today's first session was absolutely terrible. I dropped two stacks over the course of about three hours. This was mainly due to my practically never hitting a flop. My C-bets got either check-raised or called down with second pair. And in the rare cases where I did hit, nobody called my C-bet.

The second session was pretty slow overall, and I had just about broken even when I decided to blind out. Interestingly enough, before the big blinds reached me, I got into two situations where I was able to almost double up. Yee-hah!

Chris_TC · Dec 17, 2007

Progress Update

Day 46: 653% ($13,069)
Day 48: 688% ($13,753)
Day 49: 672% ($13,437)

I played well today but just couldn't catch any decent pots. When I got it in with the best hand, I ended up losing anyway.
I'm a bit burned out at the moment, only played for about 4 hours today but they felt like 12.

I'm trying to reach 15K because this is when I'll start playing $3/$6 with $500 buy-ins. And I can't wait.
There's a bit of a curiosity about constantly moving up the limits. When I started with small stakes, every $10 pot felt totally awesome to me, while now I'm simply not content if I don't end the day with at least one buy-in of profit.

Also, it's creepy how quickly you get used to the higher stakes. On my first day at $2/$4, I initially played fairly scared. I remember folding AK to a preflop all-in of $100.
Today, I was pretty much bored to death during both sessions. I'd love nothing more than to play $5/$10 right away because I know it would stop me from getting bored.
But of course I won't take shots, my bankroll will not be put on the line.

Boltneck · Dec 18, 2007

Day 46: 327% (431.62)
Day 47: 333% (439.50)
Day 48: 354% (466.03)

I lost internet connection late yesterday evening (due to a major incident with my ISP) so had to end my session a little earlier than usual and was unable to post my results. Yesterday was an excellent day, I wish I could keep the table that I played at for the first couple of hours (and the generous people who donated to my Christmas fund) for my own personal use! I played pretty well, but I have to say that it would have been difficult to lose money the way my luck went today. Sure I got rivered a couple of times, but that’s inevitable after close to 5 hours play at loose tables. For the most part, things went my way with numerous coin flips going in my favour. Let’s hope for many more days like this.

I'm getting pretty close now to the move to $1 /$2, and am getting ever more impatient. Although my BR is still over $100 short of the $600 needed to go to the next level, I will get a bonus of $75 at the end of the month (based on the number of raked hands that I play - which I'm only a few hundred short of, and will certainly achieve). Assuming no great disasters, I'm probably only a week or two away from the $1 / $2 tables.

JRaD · Dec 18, 2007

I'll be posting the stats in a few days once I deposit etc.

Cheetah · Dec 18, 2007

Boltneck said:
I lost internet connection late yesterday evening (due to a major incident with my ISP) ...

Just to let everyone know in case you haven't heard, there are routers that can work with 2 separate ISPs. One ISP can be used as backup, or both can be used and traffic is then load-balanced.

Boltneck · Dec 18, 2007

Day 47: 333% (439.50)
Day 48: 354% (466.03)
Day 49: 358% (471.71)

It was back to reality after yesterday’s run of good future. Nothing remarkable to report, but the small profit was my seventh consecutive day that I have finished ahead of the game which equal the most consecutive winning sessions since joining this thread.

Chris_TC · Dec 18, 2007

Progress Update

Day 48: 688% ($13,753)
Day 49: 672% ($13,437)
Day 50: 565% ($11,298)

I started the day highly motivated. I was going to push my bankroll beyond 14K, and it was going to be a beautiful day. That was before variance steamrolled me.

I've spent about 7 hours at the tables, and as you can see I've lost over 5 buy-ins. I didn't even tilt! In fact, I played quite well, made a bunch of huge laydowns, good calls, but none of that helped at all.

As if losing $2,000 in a single day didn't suck enough, the poker software screwed me over in the last hand I played.
I was in a pot with two other people, I had flopped a set, and by the river I was looking at sevens full of eights on a three-flush board. One of my two opponents bet $60 into me. "Great!" I thought, "at least I can win ONE stack back".
So I typed $150 into the raise amount box, clicked RAISE and... nothing happened. Instead, the poker software told me that the connection was broken. By the time the connection was re-established, my hand had been auto-folded.

This wasn't a problem with my ISP because I could reach various internet sites just fine. This was a problem with the poker room. I just sent an e-mail to support, but I doubt I'm going to get anything close to what I would have legitimatly won in that hand.

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :banghead:

Chris_TC · Dec 18, 2007

Well, thankfully, customer support at Hollywood Poker is about as good as it gets.
As usually when there's any kind of question or problem, I got my answer within 30 minutes, and in this case a refund of $100. The pot had the potential to be much bigger than that but we'll never know.

Now I'm looking forward to the BIG ASS UPSWING (excuse the language) that must be coming my way after all this crap.

Virv · Dec 19, 2007

I decided to start keeping track a few days ago, am I doing it right?

Day 0: 100% (280.25)
Day 1: 200% (559.45)
Day 2: 231% (647.10)
Day 3: 256% (716.55)
Day 4: 348% (974.80)
Day 5: 293% (821.48)
Day 6: 359% (1006.78)

Boltneck · Dec 19, 2007

Welcome to the thread Virv. You are certainly recording your stats correctly, and your result are pretty amazing too. Do you use any kind of BRM strategy? What levels are you playing at, and what games?

Virv · Dec 19, 2007

Thanks, not too much BRM strategy. I play .50/1 NLHE tables, usually 2-4 at a time. If I am playing poorly I just stop or play a different game at lower stakes. Also I keep a seperate file as a journal, for example it might say Day 1 - I sucked out with KK and won a $100 pot or I played poorly because I didn't get enough sleep, or whatever. But I'll keep this updated and hopefully it stays consistent!

SPC420 · Dec 19, 2007

freerolls are fun when your bored but if your goal is to make money off a freeroll then your wastin time

SPC420 · Dec 19, 2007

The bodog freerolls are pretty good but most sites are pathetic

Cheetah · Dec 19, 2007

Chris_TC said:
Now I'm looking forward to the BIG ASS UPSWING (excuse the language) that must be coming my way after all this crap.

Chris, terrible session. :icon_puke

I think you know this but for the sake of others, I would like to point out that there is no such thing as "my luck is due to change because I had terrible cards/beats for a while". It is just as likely to get bad luck tomorrow as it is to get good luck.

If one thinks a little bit about this, it cannot be otherwise. How would the cards (or the server) have memory of bad or good luck? Also, if 2 players had the most terrible luck ever, and they play heads up, how can both get lucky?

Despite how obvioius this is, many people believe "my luck is due to change" and make bad decisions as a result. The worst is to play at levels too high for a diminished bankroll.

However, there may be an effect where wins are more likely to be followed by wins, and losses more likely by losses. But that has nothing to do with luck.

When you win, you feel confident, you play correctly, people fear you and perhaps don't play as well themselves, etc. This increases the chances for more wins.

Conversly, losses result in tilt, possibly bad table image, diminished confidence, etc. These factors are more likely to produce further losses.

Chris, I am not suggesting that you are subject to the above but rather making general observations.

Boltneck · Dec 19, 2007

Day 48: 354% (466.03)
Day 49: 358% (471.71)
Day 50: 354% (467.05)

I won my fair share of coin flips, but the real problem was my premium hands – so few of them held up. I’m about to complete my normal review of the days play, but suspect that I’ll find that I was possibly too aggressive with overcards against the wrong type of player.

Let's build some bankroll - who's with me?

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