**Official Micro Stakes Madness 5NL,10NL,25NL Focus Group**

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I finally have a small b/r on stars and I'm loving it! I've already turned $11 into over $50 in just 3 days. I started out playing 2NL and then after I got it over $25 I played a couple of $1 SnGs and cashed in 4/5 of them. So, feeling the SnG's were quite fishy I took a chance and played one of the $5.25 4 man HU SnGs. I won the first one of those I played too.

Stars is a fish pond from what I've already seen. I hope it stays that way.
 
That sucks Chiefer.

One thing though. What is this?

nhartle: raises $0.75 to $1
Chiefer77: raises $1 to $2

You need to 3bet to at least $3 there. By making it $2 you're giving you opponent good odds to stick around and take your stack if he hits.

Keep getting your $$ in good though and things will turn around.

Oh yeah, one more thing, use auto-reload. You should have lost another $.75 in that hand.
 
Here's the graph for so far this month at PS ring games. I did play about 50 hands in 5NL just to see what that was like, but I decided to hold off and wait.
 

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zachvac said:
I'm saying you need 11.7:1 to play strictly for set value. Here's the math:
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Yeah Zach, I think thats what Belgo and me were saying. It's 7.5:1 to actually flop the set, but you need better odds than that for all the other times you dont play for stacks, get coolered, and beats. So 12:1 is a more accurate figure, but not as accurate as 11.7:1 😛
 
wow numbers are a little high... i agree w the stop limping but i guess that in microstakes is ok. but maybe u should raise some, and stop limping w some.
 
Lemlywinks said:
Wow, I really like the way you explain things zac; that math makes sense.

Now a question, I have not been giving myself that much implied odds, but rather somewhere around the range of calling with 9.0-9.5:1

Am i playing the pocket pairs too little or is it just better for, I guess for lack of a better word "inexperienced" players like myself to air on the side of caution?
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First off note that I should not get credit, it was someone on 2+2 who did the math. As to your question basically if you play with worse implied odds you have to be able to win pots (with or without showdown) without flopping sets. They'll have hands like AK and air so this is possible but note that if you make moves such as calling a bet then folding you hurt your implied odds even worse. In general though unless there are a few limpers or a raiser and at least one caller I almost will never set mine with tiny PPs. But for example say there's a raise and 2 callers, you're now getting 3-1 (or better if you're in the blinds) immediate odds and if you flop a set should be getting at least one or two more bets, which give you enough implied odds to set mine. With one raiser however you will typically only get a cbet if villain misses the flop.

Basically it's all cloudy though because it's so dependent on how your opponent plays, how good your skills are postflop without a set, how good you are at extracting money when you flop sets, along with just a ton of other factors since you're never really set mining, they almost always have AK in their range. But I do personally think a lot of people set mine oop way too much. If CO raises and I'm in the BB with 33 I'll pretty much 3-bet or fold, with fold as the default.
 
Hey guys, just updated the blog, check out how i'm doing at 10nl 😀 and this also acts as a bump for the micro's thread, was way down the learning poker section today 🙁
 
took my first shot at 10NL this afternoon. Obviously ran in to KK<AA twice in my first 300 hands. Ugh, back to 5NL.
 
dsvw56 said:
took my first shot at 10NL this afternoon. Obviously ran in to KK<AA twice in my first 300 hands. Ugh, back to 5NL.
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i would recommend having a bigger cushion for losing stacks if you're trying to take a shot at a higher limit. for example, give yourself 5 buy ins to lose before you move back down.
 
chiefer77 said:
Dealt to Chiefer77 [As Ad]
yyeeahh: folds
Buzzkiller1: folds
Motze180: folds
nhartle: raises $0.75 to $1
msna: folds
Chiefer77: raises $1 to $2
Usurpov: folds
denisriver: folds
llundin123: folds
nhartle: raises $3 to $5
Chiefer77: raises $5 to $10
nhartle: calls $5
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What WV said.
Make it $3 for the first 3bet. If he's a standard TAG reg, he'll either ship it in with KK or fold. I guess sometimes they flat with AK/QQ/JJ ?

When he raises to $5 you can safely shove it in. He'll call with kings.
 
3 betting?

Jurn8 said:
Ok first topic I would like to discuss is 3betting sizing pre flop which you guys use.

Say villian makes it 3BB/4BB pre flop what are we 3betting him to ?
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Ok you guys talk in a code that I am not familiar with - what is 3-betting?
dyndonna😱
 
The sophistication of the players in this forum is remarkable. You have players in the 5 cent 10 cent game asking for and getting excellent advice. A couple of years ago, the 5 cent game was a piece of cake, but I've noticed a big improvement in play. Maybe it's me getting worse! Anyone else notice the improvement?
 
dynodonna said:
Ok you guys talk in a code that I am not familiar with - what is 3-betting?
dyndonna😱
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3-betting is when, preflop somone bets (say 3x the BB) and then somone else raises that bet again,😀
 
dynodonna said:
Ok you guys talk in a code that I am not familiar with - what is 3-betting?
dyndonna😱
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The easiest way for me to get my head around it was, the blinds are the 1st bet, if someone then raises preflop that would be the 2nd bet, if i then re-raise that i've just made the 3rd bet, hence 3betting 🙂

P1 posts the SB
P2 posts the BB (1st bet)
P3 raises to 30c (2nd bet)
Hero raises 60c to 90c (3Bet)

3-betting can be used to good effect in the blinds, for example, villain on the button has the action folded round to him and he raises to 30c, your in the SB and see that his steal% is say 60% and his fold to 3bet is 80%, further more, lets say the BB is a 7/2 nit and his fold BB to a steal% is 100%, this is a good spot to 3bet a lot of trash cards as the villain is more than likely stealing, he'll more than likely fold to a 3bet and the BB plays so tight that he's probably folding already anyways.

The knock on effect to 3betting a bigger range than AK,AA and KK is that you get less respect when you 3bet a big hand, lets say in the first example you have sc's in the sb, the button calls and you flop a miracle straight and stack him, you then 3bet him again later on, but this time you really do have a big hand, he's going to remember that a 3bet doesn't always mean you have a monster and look you up a lot lighter.

I hope i haven't made any mistakes while trying to write a quick explanation to 3betting, this is at least how i see it, i'm sure if i have got anything wrong somebody more knowledgeable than myself will point it out for you 🙂
 
ARGGHH!! Im going to explode havent played in 4 days now !! yes 4 whole days!! Work sucks so bad, I am definately playing today
 
Jurn8 said:
ARGGHH!! Im going to explode havent played in 4 days now !! yes 4 whole days!! Work sucks so bad, I am definately playing today
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I don't believe you! Prove it.😛
 
Jurn8 said:
ARGGHH!! Im going to explode havent played in 4 days now !! yes 4 whole days!! Work sucks so bad, I am definately playing today
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I had a much longer forced break so quit your whining 😛
 
I played !! Wahoo just played a session of 1k hands went ok up 1.5 BIs! Back to the work now 🙁!!

Done 6 out of 8 Java exercises aswell and I dont have a clue what I am doing haha !!
 
Tried 8-tabling for the first time on 10nl tonight and thought it wasn't much different to 6 tbh, it's cool that i can now easily clear 1k hands per day, the fpp's are starting to come in a bit more now i've moved up, nearly got enough for another 210 sattelite already 🙂 had a nice +2BI 2hrs and i've now got over $300 in the roll for the first time!!! 😀 $450 to go and i'll be movin to 25nl 😀

edit: when can i start expecting to be able to hit silverstar?? it seems that i might be able to do it next month if i 8-table for the whole month, when did everyone else start hitting silverstar??
 
Just wanted to pipe up and say W0000000000000t!!!!!!!!!! Gonna be a bigger contributor to this thread now that I'm more motivated than ever to pwnzer the micro-stakes fish.

I'm on an operation to grind up a roll for 10nl/25nl and I'll be switching to FR once I get there.

Off to the gym for now, but enjoy my latest blog entry: http://mediocrepoker.net/?p=345
 
orangepeeleo said:
edit: when can i start expecting to be able to hit silverstar?? it seems that i might be able to do it next month if i 8-table for the whole month, when did everyone else start hitting silverstar??
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I think it's like 0.05VPP/hand at 10nl, so like 25k hands to be on the safe side should get you there.
 
For you kids at 25nl this is what you look forward to at 50nl. I don't remember the level being this bad but it is. Definitely a big step below 100nl.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $57.60 (115.2 bb)
UTG+1: $24.80 (49.6 bb)
Hero (MP1): $56.40 (112.8 bb)
MP2: $50 (100 bb)
MP3: $61.55 (123.1 bb)
CO: $23.60 (47.2 bb)
BTN: $8.65 (17.3 bb)
SB: $19.70 (39.4 bb)
BB: $52.25 (104.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with Q
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Q
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UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, MP2 calls $2.50, 3 folds, SB raises to $10.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $25, MP2 folds, SB calls $9.20 and is all-in

Flop: ($42.90) 6
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7
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J
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($42.90) 9
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($42.90) T
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $42.90 pot ($2.10 rake)
SB showed T
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T
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(three of a kind, Tens) and won $40.80 ($21.10 net)
Hero mucked Q
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Q
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(a pair of Queens) and lost (-$19.70 net)
 
icemonkey9 said:
For you kids at 25nl this is what you look forward to at 50nl. I don't remember the level being this bad but it is. Definitely a big step below 100nl.
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I wish people would do that at 25nl. I seriously can not remember one time my queens where ahead when AIPF. Everyone shows up with KK/AA and flats the rest 🙁
 
eNTy said:
I wish people would do that at 25nl. I seriously can not remember one time my queens where ahead when AIPF. Everyone shows up with KK/AA and flats the rest 🙁
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Stop playing full ring...
 
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